S2 E4 - Somebody’s Poisoned the Waterhole…(it’s Cassie)

00:33 Holy shit, great open fish. Thank you. That's really how I feel. That's like exactly how I felt. Once that episode was over. Holy fucking shit. Oh, yeah, I mean butter, my ass and call me Davy Jones. Oh pretty fucking wild, you making fun of me and you just said that you came to just shut up. You know what they say. It. Well, I'm actually like

01:03 secretly glad that we actually snagged a bottle of cooks. I went to a liquor store this weekend cuz we had a blizzard and I wasn't even planning on getting it. But there was one left like in the freezer and it was like that moment where it's like Cooks Cooks kind of Spotlight was on it. And I was like what? You know, and I you know what I was thinking though. I was like, it sucks that really going to be drinking Cooks on episode. That's like not about Kyle wrong. So let's pop this shit. Let's pop this

01:33 which is a good thing too. Because I realized the last few episodes that since I've been drinking like drinks the ice like clanks around in my glass and I sound like fucking Julian from Trailer Park, Boys. Like I always have like a a clanking like glass in my hand. Oh God, I'm scared. Oh, I like it's always going to cover my ears when you do that, but I have headphones on so it can't and I hate it. Oh, yeah, that is some are of cooks entering diamond. It's is our this is our Catalyst and see

02:03 what he's working. You have to do the little like swivel like deuce do diamond champagne. Adjust wine. We do like this the swivel. Like I mean, I think like better Sam's head on this would warrant a little swirl with you. Nothing is better than Cooks. And also for those that like are G branded or podcasts real quick, quick, quick, like Cooks, if you don't know, you don't know. And I feel sorry for you, but just re-watch the scene where cows fucking jewels in the motel and you'll know why

02:34 we drink Cokes. Yeah. Let's cheers to that. Yeah, cheers to that to what cooks or come on. I'll take you. Click helming. Mr. Big Balls just to Cheers with mr. Big balls, big time. It didn't even take up of this before we start. We've come a long way that we're in a place where we're cheersing to. It's a cow. I know what a like, what a ride, what a journey I have to say, like what I was

03:04 concerned about them doing this season with Nate, they did with Kyle but I was never concerned about it with happening with Kyle because as we talked about last week, he's far more sympathetic. Yeah. So I like that the Redemptive Arc the season goes to Cal - it's that. Nate's, like, even more like mysterious and like, Get to that. Yeah, I was gonna say, I actually think Nate this season. It's like the same, but it's not, I'm feeling a little different but not in, like a positive light, but he's doing less outwardly evil things.

03:34 But they're our hands. We don't know yet where there's hints at like a deeper like psychosis going on. Like, yeah, we're getting like, you know, we're silent here against being dropped that. He's like darker and more fucked up than we even know yet. So when someone's not quiet all the time, and it's just Like, stewing in their emotions, you know, like, they're just fucked up. Like, I just like you said, I think it's. We're only episode 4, we're halfway though. So that's psycho. Like, I can't believe we're already halfway. That's

04:04 really weird. I'm kind of like Bittersweet about it. Yeah, half way half the 50% Mark. I'm like you said, we really don't know. There could be like like, Nate could be stewing and there's all this shit going on behind the scenes that we don't know yet. So right now I'm kind of like he's fine with me but like he's gonna fuck shit up. I just feel it. We'll see It'll be like last season where he just like drops a bomb and then you're like, fuck you to all over again shooter status or sleep. No, I am really hope not that far. I really

04:34 hope well before we even like just go right into the episode. What are your thoughts on all this like shit being spoken about about dare coming out with that article TMZ being like? Yeah. Yes or so before we get into the actual episode. I guess. We have a few like peripheral. Thing we have to that one. Yeah, I mean, I think that's stupid because like a I think Euphoria is up there with the great and portraying like the horror of like drug use like Requiem

05:05 for a Dream like Enter the Void type stuff. Like it's not doesn't look good. No, I didn't season 2. It's looking even worse than ever. So hey to give a little background though. To for those who don't like deep dive like we do dare like came out to TMZ and was like, we'd really like to meet with Seven like the crew on HBO and like, talk about like drugs, so that like people and teens watching the show, don't glamorize it, and think it's cool. Like they're yeah, they're basically just called them out and said,

05:35 like, we'll just so stupid in my opinion. It says. And I think aside from the fact that I don't think our goose is being glamorize on the show. I also think that like dares messaging about like abstinence being the way has been like a massive failure. Yeah. The War on Drugs was a huge failure abstinence. It fails in every regard when you try to teach it, whether it's sex, or drugs, or whatever. Like that's just not like a viable like message to communicate. No, burgeoning adults. Like, it doesn't work. Like people are interested in

06:05 drugs and sex for reasons. Yeah, and you have to like approach those things with like well-thought-out messaging about like how you can safely like engage in that stuff because people are gonna do it. No, for sure, stupid. No, not stupid. But also like, oh, they're stupid. What you said is not see. There. But like that's stupid. Yeah, Alex. And I were also saying, I feel like a lot of maybe gen Z don't really. But like Darius, a literally, like tour and like, would come to my school and the same with Alex and it's like the way

06:35 they would try and portray like drugs and like how dangerous they were. It was so not effective. It was like laughable. Like it's ridiculous in high school. They set up like a fake fucking like car wreck in our like parking lot and it was like triggering. It was like, holy shit. It was like a, it was like supposed to be like a drunk driver. Like, Like car accident scene and they were like, this is like your brain on drugs, like don't do drugs and I remember everyone just being like this is so stupid like laughing and being like, why would they ever do this? Like it's well they have that silly lion mascot

07:05 to which is not helping. Yeah, they have like a say like a silly live. He's like, yeah, you can stand up to doing drugs. Something stupid. Like that's totally what I would do. Kids don't do drugs. Oh my God. There's a mascot. Yeah, there's like a stupid. Well now it's like cool to like by the Dare shirts at like vintage stores. Like, everyone knows, drugs are cool. Like, well,

07:35 not when your rube true. But yeah, I mean, I yeah, if you have the balance and like can handle it, of course, drugs are cool. Like if you're not a fucking, you know, yeah, long story short. I don't think Euphoria glamorizes drug use. No. No, I don't think there is got anything valid or helpful to say about. Euphoria or two teenagers in general. It's like a product of the war on drugs, like sweat watches, Corey, everyone, obscene amounts of money and horror. I just feel like nauseous and, like, sweaty watching real. I'm like, this doesn't look great at all. This is not

08:06 like no, no. Like we're also saying like, like shows like Gossip Girl and shit like, yes, they like glamorizing because it's all like mocking voice. Yeah, I think like your general run of the mill, like teen show is far more at fault for glamorizing drug use because there's no investment and showing like a long like On out portrait of like the horrors of druggies. It's always just like a like brief like plot Point like, or it's like this person got really into drugs and they make it look great for a while. And then the next episode, they'll just be like sweaty and strung out there. Like now they have to go to rehab

08:36 and there's a lot behind the clock. Yeah, like or I'd like way more glamorize than what you for is doing. Or you're going to Riverdale where they call drugs, jingle jangle CW shows can say like heroines they call it jingle jangle. I don't even know. So, we can just say, like, too easy to Rosewell ended saying, like Euphoria, does it? Well, they portray drugs, which if you're an addict, they portray it the way it is, which it fucking sucks. It's not glamorized.

09:06 So kids out there looking into that shit. Be careful. So, the other like random thing was, like, all these like rumors, there were so many bullshit rumors of this episode that someone was gonna die. And there were some fucking like source that everyone was pointing to Jim Watson, fuck. Account. And all I have to say about all that is like, that's all bunch of bullshit. And I don't, I'm talking about, right? Yeah. It's like no one died in this episode. That was all fake news. Like there was all this like faux drama about like, behind the seeds conflict

09:37 and he was getting written off for what reason it's all completely unsubstantiated. Someone, my Grodin was saying like Jacob, Oh, Lordy like stormed off, because he was so tired of like having to work with Z because they are like four different people stormed off the side and they said, like four different people are gonna die. Like It's just like stupid. No one, even died. No, the one that's coming up the most though, but I don't really care about because I just like don't really care about like onset drama like who cares. But everyone is saying that cat stormed off set on you for it and I like

10:07 I don't want to get the girl in the Pod and be like, just clear the air. Just one mom and like maybe she did for like a hot second but then came back and was like, whatever. Like moving on over it's all a bunch of fake news or it never happened. Like right. This is all I completely hearsay. The whole they were using this to like say that like such and such person was going to die or be written off in this episode, which didn't happen. So I'm like, I don't care about that. No dumb. I can't believe how much that dominated like the news cycle, like, leading up to this episode, like in,

10:37 I don't know why or world. I'm like, where did this come from? Who cares? Well, it wasn't just that. It was also. There were so many then people were talking about algae Smith. Like also like storming upset. Yeah. So we've got Cagney and algae all at once. It's like, storming upset. It was just like a, like, shit show of like, a storm of like bullshit. Yeah, just like, yeah, I don't know care about any of that, and none of it ended up affecting the episode. In the ways. They were trying to insinuate, it would like No

11:07 And we just don't, I also we well we kind of talked about it. Like people were saying that algae was mad because like he actually had like a net, you know, an episode about his characters. He felt kind of like and once again all fucking bullshit here say we don't even know if it's real, but he was like saying like, Ponder his characters just like a episode 1. I was like talking to Alex about the other day and I'm like, I don't care like McKay's in college. Like I don't want to see like because life in college, I don't give a shit. Like I love algae. I loved his part and season one, but like I don't really

11:37 see like a need for like a longer like drag out of algae's character pertaining to like the story. Yeah. I mean it was kind of weird how like much they gave him in season 12 then drop him in season 2, but I agree with you that from like a plot standpoint. It doesn't really We make that much sense to have him hanging around anymore. So I like, yeah, like I'm not salty about it. You'd have to really like bend over backwards to be like, here's why this college guy still involved with all these high schoolers late. That's why I'm saying I can also like maybe that was part of it. Maybe there were like, it's kind of weird

12:07 that like this college guys, always around all these high schoolers. Like, let's move on like, sorry, McKay that you're getting the boot. Yeah. I don't know. Sorry. I'll G. But, you know, I'll just doing well in his career. So like good job algae, like he's fine. Good great. So The words we love no idea of anyone even sworn drop set, but according to like the mass media, like six people stormed off set, According to Jim wha-what, weird, the fuck ever what a weird situation. I looked into that account. And it's just like, not even

12:38 worth like talking about any longer, but it was weird, like how no one knows who it really is. I'm like really like one of her friends have a litter and account or him. They're all fucking Anonymous. Like it's not like so wild that. It's like, no one knows who it is. It's like yeah. Like I don't really know me. Like, Diet product is, I mean, they like were Anonymous for a long time. They can't. They've come out since then. But like, yeah, being on. I mean, like, there's a lot of accounts, don't know who it is. Who cares? Who fucking cares. So, we are be a lot of drama and of euphoria outskirts.

13:08 Also like a lot of weird criticism mixed with, like a ton of Praise. I think Euphoria so far is getting so much more, praise where it matters. But there is a lot of weird, like, bullshit criticism of people being like the season is like, not Like strongly disagree. I've liked the, the this episode the last episode, and the first episode are my three favorite episodes of euphoria ever. That's crazy. I mean, I so I have a, I only do like episode 2,

13:38 I like all the rest tan and this one, that's an easier. Well, yeah, I don't think to suck. This isn't one is like so strong for me. So I'm but I'm really happy with season two. I'm like, I'm Sam is not letting me down. Yeah. Yeah. This was me. This is like this and episode wanted the season or my two favorite episodes. I thought this was so good. Yeah. This episode per like just everything from, like the lighting, the script, like, the dynamic of all the characters was just more entertaining than the other episodes.

14:09 I just feel like all across the board. This was like, Euphoria to me, like the score, like, the real, like deep emotional parts were pretty fucking crazy. Then you get some comedy. Like, I just feel like this episode, like, had it all. It was like a perfect Euphoria package. A little. Yeah. What I really like about this season is that they're definitely like moving away from like the High School drama. It's not almost like interpersonal like high school like like, you know, yeah girl drama and it's barely a church more like out there.

14:39 Way more like surreal more like metaphysical. Like gnarlier just like the storylines are just like far more interesting and have more like gravity than the like, you know, classic like teens. Yeah. We were getting in season one when you always like, uh, Sam's kind of like you always say like he's kind of gone. So like he definitely takes things like the next level on certain things. Yeah, so I'm here for it. I played this one definitely. So it's the next level. Yeah. Yeah. Just appreciate that. We're moving out of this being like a high school,

15:09 like teen show to being something like much bigger with bigger Ambitions and bigger impact. Yep. Look great. I already need another glass of cooks for me this. Let's go as we dig in but Alex not for the life. Hell. Thank you for the life of us. We literally cannot figure out what the title means but what's the tie laughs? You have a pulled up? I don't even wrote a actually I couldn't find it. No, I have it. It's like a weird like quote. I'm guessing I was thinking, maybe it's some kind of like, I don't know. It sounds

15:39 like Shakespeare. Something you who cannot see think of those who can I don't know. I've got nothing. All I could think of was like, are they paralleling that to, like, there's shit that you might not see? But like, no, fuck it. I'm not even going to try after last week, thinking rumination was ruthless, imagination. I feel like I can't like, I can't look too far into this chemical and of honestly, to with Euphoria,

16:10 it's either like has a ton of meeting or it's just Sam being like I really like that 90s song. So here it is. Yeah. Yeah, I don't have any I don't have any like guesses or like no. And I don't I haven't flirted any theories as to what that means or how it relates to the episode. Also. I'm the DMS, if he knows, I mean, I would like to know but we really couldn't find anything. I'm open to hearing people's thoughts on that obsessed, with this whole rules, love Montage. I think that's very funny and like cheeky. Yeah. The opening montage

16:40 is fucking great. It's so fun Titanic. We've got snow water. It is like a heavy like classical art influence in this episode in particular. But in the opening scene, of course, you have tons of leg art references with the Magritte painting and the Botticelli painting and John Lennon. Creer know and I don't know what else to say. It free to go to Telly. It's Botticelli Botticelli's. Excuse me. Is it really that? Oh my God. Am

17:10 I right for once? Yeah. Yeah, but Botticelli the if you look like Behind the scenes on how they like created that it's really cool. It's awesome on Instagram. I think like one of the set guys like just showed how long it took and like it's really dope like Hunters just like laying them like a pool of water and they really did like create that whole thing. So like none of it's like just like on you for everything is like built by hand like yeah, a CGI or like, you know, know, it's always like practical effects, which is nice. They do a good job with the Practical

17:40 stuff on this show was cracking up at the Brokeback Mountain moment. The little will Sebastian, in the Looking on. Yeah, I really like the snow white one. I thought that was really cool. Yeah, super fond different. Yeah, they haven't really done any cartoons other than season one when they did like Cats fan fiction. So, yeah, that was so funny. The 1D the One Direction. Yeah. Well, we got a ruse squeaky awkward. That's a fake orgasm through fix a horrible orgasm

18:11 which like we've all done this. Like I haven't Really never in your life. Not once. No, wow. I mean, I don't mean generally, I don't mean to be offensive or it's very often, like you can't. It's hard to look guys. There's a guy that's kind of. Yeah, I got it. So, I would say maybe for you personally, I think everyone's different how they like your sex life is very complex. Right? Like everyone has a different vibe. But like, I don't think it's offensive. If you faked an orgasm and this case it's

18:41 offensive because bruise, like, high as fuck, and she's not like engaged. Like that would piss me off. I was Doing the work like I'm down like in the pussy. And you're like down in the trenches. Yeah, I just say like one style. Just do the courtesy and say I'm too fucked up. I like we've all been there. I've had nights were like anything. You know what I mean? Like, I've just been like, I'm too drunk. It's gonna have to happen all the time. And that's fine. Like, you shouldn't that, so I get it. But yeah, she's down in the trenches and rude, just fucking fix it, but I don't think it's offensive

19:11 if you fake it because sometimes you just like, want to please your partner, and you're like, all right, they're like into this. So I'm just gonna like, and make it great. I don't know. But really who failed out of there. She's wildly fails out of it. Alright, so rude, as this like, incredibly just beyond awkward orgasm and all say to that is like I don't have a problem with people, fake orgasm me, like sex is sex. Sometimes you have mental block. Sometimes things aren't going your way or vice versa, like it

19:41 happens, or maybe you just want to be like, courteous to your partner and give them the win for the night. Like it's very clear that ruins just like totally tuned out. She's fucked up. So in this case, it's not cool. Meaning like she's faking it out of like selfish. Like she should have sat up and said I'm fucked up or this isn't working for me because, you know, Jules down there, like, doing the doctors, doing the dirty like doing it. Well, that sucks, my thoughts on it, or that like a one-off isn't generally problematic,

20:12 but I think that overall like transparency is better. So like, Like if you're not into it, I think you should just say like you're not in, do ya, or hey do it this way or especially if it's someone you're in a relationship with like thank you. It's not healthy for either of you. If you keep faking it because they think they're doing great. Totally. So things aren't going to get better unless they like, no, they're not information. We were kind of learning that right there navigating through like their sexuality together. Like there's, you know, this is like, very new to them. They're like, you

20:42 know, we've been watching them for a whole season. This is like the first season were really seen them. To have sexual interactions. So yeah, richest, city that like Jewels when she, it's like flip-flop, right? Last Season room was all in very vulnerable and jewels was kind of like, not out of it, but doing her thing and now like Jules is all in super vulnerable. Like you can tell Andrews like to she's literally like physically as well. Faking an orgasm is the least of his crimes at this point.

21:12 So then at that point, we both agree on that. We got this Shocking, kiss Jules. And I always, I always say everyone's name. I was gonna say, Dominic, giovanelli tools, which we called last week we did, and I hate that some like big achieve than it was kind of. Yeah, it was kind of obvious, but I hate that. I like kind of like them like and I mean, it from like this moment, not because I know the whole episode and what happens later I was kind of like into it. I was like,

21:42 oh like I could say, oh, I hate that. I like this, right. Was usually, I'm such a rules, Like, rules for life, like, nothing can intervene, but I was kind of, like, Jules is having fun. And, I don't know. I feel like we're just kind of fucked her over this season. So I guess that's why I'm kind of, like, she deserves a little, like, a break. I'm like some happiness, not a, not a fan of Elliot, but as we've all seen, he does significantly redeem himself somewhat as hurry. I don't know that he redeems himself, but he establishes that he has some some, some intact

22:12 wrong integrity and moral character. So I don't like hate him but I still don't particularly like him. We were also joking. Obviously, Like rules is out the window. Like yeah, lately like torpedo that. So I'm not over here being like some rules, Die Hard, unfortunately. No, I wish a bummer to say but like roux is completely like made that an impossibility in the mirror short term. So yeah, she's really gone through this character like, belaying upset at jewels of this planet. That's what I mean. Like, I wasn't

22:43 like mad at Jewels were normally I'd be like, no. Purse. But I wasn't mad. If anything it was like who could blame her. Honestly. I'd fucking make out with Elliot at this point because ruse like a fucking dry towel. She she doesn't even know the rules on drugs. At that point. We'll also extra like I wrote this down in my notes and I also saw it all over Twitter. So I feel validated in it, the whole episode. I was like, I don't want to sit on Jules. But how does she not question through state of mind. I mean rule looks

23:13 there's always tweets of like, really funny meme. Use of like a literal, like a cube with, like, a face and they're like Jewels, like, not noticing really looking like this every day, and it's like, yeah, that's kind of smell the meme. Slap the like silly Stoner eyes, but you made a good point. What you should talk about on here. Yeah, I was about to but I think I think probably a lot of that is like an ignorance is bliss. Thing like Jewels went through so much to get back to a place where she was like, I'm in the lake. Really like I want this to happen. Andre was allegedly sober at the time.

23:43 So it was like one of those like technically on Paper. Like, we can be together and she wants to be together. And even though there's like hella red flags. She really wants to be together. So yeah, Overlook things in those moments, even though you're probably, she probably has that voice in the back of her head like Rouge and acting all over the place there. Let you guys something like. Yeah Flags, but I'm not, like, in love. This isn't like a flowing, like they've said it many times. So when you're in love, you often like overlooked all the red flags, there could be

24:14 so even if you see it. You just when you love someone and really care about them, you'll give them every excuse. So she's probably like, oh, she's just a little high on weed. Like she's doing her thing. She's being cool in front of Elliot. But yeah, the whole truth or dare, that was funny when shoot Elliott's like, making out with ruin. She's like, okay, you're ten seconds are up like she definitely jewels that like that's like more jealous, but I think that's just because we're so fucked up. This is so fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but wow, so the triangle

24:45 just Used to get more and more insane. Yeah, a lot of people are here for it. I saw on Twitter to a lot of people being like, I'm kind of here for like threesome, like I like like the dynamic like they should all date. Yeah. I mean it seems like we all. Yeah, there's like look potentially that was Elliot than game. All along was to get both of them. You were saying like Lucky Bastard and he is he's got the two hottest. Women ever that guy. Definitely a Dominic is a lucky dude. Yes. Yes the

25:15 I needed her. It's like I think that they really go to like the extra length here with that opening Montage of all the like art inspired like love scenes to really like hit you extra in the gut with like how real their love is and how fucked it is that like a cruise, like unavailable because there is like something like special there, like they didn't show you that for no reason. Like, no. That was like very much like a testament to the fact that there's like real, like serious love there, but it's just so fucked by various drug addiction, then there's no way.

25:45 So they They like extra extra at you in the gut by putting that in there. I know I know that's shocking. How awful it is. Well, my favorite my favorite part of it. Well, actually no, I have so many favorites, but my top favorite is definitely my eyes birthday party. It's I would like to say it's lit but it's like lit in a bad way. It's not a good lit. But yeah, we kind of get like but you know, but they're kind of showing us I think in this episode correct me if I'm wrong too. I feel like the whole natum Adai things kind of fucking with my head because

26:15 They're going a little deeper. I feel like season one. You see the surface level just extremely toxic Beyond abusive relationship, which it still is that don't get me wrong. But I feel like I'm this they're not only trying to give Nate a little more like Humanity, but they're showing a little more, like a softer side meaning. Like even when they're trying outside. I didn't get that. Calculated Vibe. I always get from him even when he's talking to her. And she's like, did you ever like, did you know that? Like I loved you and he's kind of like, I don't know, and he's very

26:46 Like no emotion, but he's not evil. So it's like very trippy to me because I'm so used to always being like, fuck me. I hate him. But even when he's with her, he's like you seem really comfortable here. Like he's talking to her like an old-time friend. I'm like, buddy. You choked her. Why are you here at like her job like common in all smooth drink involve like, which by the way? This should be drinking Cooks. I hate littering but he's really betraying Kyle and he's like Abercrombie knit sweater like trying to be all smooth like I guess. He

27:16 has motives. He obviously wants the disk. There's a risk there. So I see the underlying, like, there could be an alternative motive, but a part of me is like this sucks because Maddie's like doing better and he's about to fuck her. She have a very, they have a strange Dynamic this season and I'm not sure where it's going. It's yeah, it's very strange. But you know what I'm saying about Nate though. I flows are being a little, not soft. Like it makes sense. I'm not mad about it or have much of an opinion, but I feel like he's not as like cold. Like

27:46 he's very evil to see, I don't really know yet. He's very passive. I think we constantly possibly just quiet and like existing do like emotionless that. It's hard to judge like where he's at or what he like wants her is thinking ever, because he's being very passive about what you're doing and at the moment, he's really just kind of like sitting back and it's hard to say if that's like because he's like farting. Yeah, or if like, he's just doing some kind of state where he doesn't really know what's next. So, he's kind of drifting really know yet because season one He's like

28:16 a knife to Jules throat. He's choking Maddie. He's slamming cow's head into the floor. And then in this episode. He's like, like you said, very passive like every episode so far. I'm like, isn't that? Like, but on the flip of that we have Kyle like giving like big heavy indications that there's way more to Nate than we even know. There's a lot. It makes me think that like, this is not necessarily as innocent as it seems. What are you for you being such an anti Maddie. Are you still like not a fan? Yeah. No,

28:46 not really. Really despite like her kind of become like despite her being a better person without me. I would say. Like she even says it like, in that scene where she's like I loved you. Did you not like notice and then she says something like, you know, I'm not like a bad person. You just brought that out of me. I don't remember exactly how she says it, but he says like it's weird seeing you not cruel and she's like, I learned that I'm not cruel. I just was with you even that I don't know that. I you don't agree. Don't know that.

29:16 I know that because what we've seen of Maddie's past is pretty Savage. Yeah, so I don't really like know that I think that that's true or not. True. I don't know. I think Natalie and may Nattie and that's oh my God, that's like nasty. No Matthew Caden ass. Wow. You fucked it up to. You're like me in this moment when he's yelling at Cassie and he's like Maddie, I mean Cassie Cassie D, Massey, Massey. How do you Daddy?

29:50 I think that they're both in a difficult to read place right now. I think Maggie maybe a little more empathetic this season, but I also don't really know like neither of them have been exposed to like high drama like situations where they we've had like some like test of like where they're at morally. So it's hard to like it's hard to say. I feel you. I think they're both kind of obscure and they're like motivations and where they're at. Out of this point in time. I like the cahsee Nate, like, interaction is room.

30:20 I was dying. I was supposed to kill her bathroom. Yeah, you hate a serial killer bathroom. I refine. I was, it's a kill room. I was cracking up at his Ikea. Photo of like are a military jet of. I'm just bad glass. His room could not be more like Ikea just mundane like boring ass like jock room. If there's any if there's any signs that maybe it really is like a sociopath serial killer. It's definitely his bedroom. Well, it's also him rubbing. We're also wrote this my notes. Why the hell is Nate? Rubbing his leg over and over while talking to Cassie

30:51 is Helo. She he's an athlete. He's like, do you see how he's doing that though? Yeah, I got me. The whole play spider is like, massages are very leg. Yeah. I'm like, what the fuck is going on. I don't know what that's about and it just feeling himself, who knows, feeling himself. Serial killer bathroom. I feel I feel really, really sorry for Cassie just all around but also particularly in this moment because I think, when you hot like it's so clear. She does not have confidence because

31:21 of her dad leaving, and her never having anyone validate her, like she just as we've already talked about it. She's got Daddy Issues all across the board, which usually leads to intense insecurity. That's what I've learned from like, my own experience and other people's experiences. And I feel like it's sad because a part of me like wants to, like, believe in her, when she's like, oh, you don't think I can be crazy. You just fucking watch because I do I believe that Cassie has the capability to be a strong person, but it sucks

31:51 that she's just like, not there yet. It's like, I see it. There's the potential, it's not fake. Meaning. I don't think when she says stuff like that that she's being like bullshit. You're like stupid. I think it's there's a fire burning like she's like, you're a piece of shit and I'll go crazy on your I was about to say she had me sold on it at that point. I thought the rest of that on this is like I love you. And she was like, yep, you do actually left the house and I was Like, but she's not only Maddie. She's not confidently Maddie would be like, yeah, you fucking do. Oh, I didn't think I thought she

32:21 was just like that's she was pleased that you're full of shit. No, I think know if you watch her facial expression when he says I love you from the stairs. She looks happy. Like she looks like a small part of her. Looks like I knew you were gonna say that. Meaning like she's playing the game like she thought she was like you're full of shit like and you thought this was gonna stop me leaving and then babies and she's like, Fuck you like I mean good for relieving. Yeah. No, I think we're both right? I don't know which ones. Right. It's just our own interpretations. But I saw that a little glimmer in her. I was like, this is what

32:51 I wanted, meaning like it was goal-oriented like she did all that drama for him to rush to the fucking stairwell and be like, I love you. Like and you know, obviously pleased to say that I'm not proud of it, but I did this shit. So that's how I know. Like I was her when I was growing up. No nowhere near her level of like scary and secure but like right I would fuck with guys like that growing up in high school. I'd be very like, oh you just watch like You better fucking you manipulator. I was though, but then they'd come crawling

33:21 on their hands and knees and it is like a good feeling, but it's not right. Like that's not. That's what high school teaches you, though. You learn, as you grow older, that that's not what you want. But in the moment you feel very like fucking, we know need not going to be crawling on his hands and needs to Cassie. But yeah, I really I feel like in that moment he kind of was because he just screamed at her and then he said, I love you. It just like that's he's just trying to control her. It's just like, that's the absolute. He says it like he's half asleep. Like, it's the absolute like barely. I love you. He puts in zero effort. He's saying

33:51 it purely to keep her from going off the hook until we Maddie, you've liked acting like you're about to be completely psycho. He's like, I'll just say, I love her to like, you know, throw our iron, Yang get hurt, awake, be on board and not screw me over, right? Okay. I didn't think of it that way. You're right though. He's doing damage control. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That is a total Direct Control. He throws that bone out there like he's like barely cares. She like thinks about it for a second and then she's like, no, I don't buy it and dips. That's how I interpreted that know. You're right.

34:22 But yeah, I do agree with you. I really like and that scene I bought. The Cassie was about to go fucking crazy and I did believe it and I thought at the party it was gonna go down. But then she kind of crumbles can't really follow through. But I was convinced. She had me convinced that she was that crazy. Also, obviously this is talked about so much but like, I'll say it right now, like I actually genuinely not because I'm in Sydney, Sweeney stand for life, but I really do. I think like I hope she gets an Emmy for like, Euphoria this year. I think she's done enough

34:52 work. Now. We're she's like in the, you know, I don't want to, I don't want her to win, an Emmy for White Lotus. And I have a bad feeling, she'll be nominated for that. Why I wanted to win free for you. So I just, I want like, you know, I just wanted to do well and I feel like in this, she's definitely carried this. I mean, all of them are amazing, but like her part in particular, has been the most emotional. She has the real, like, high hydro-man, I emotion. Like Like role of the season, and it's not easy to do that. She's done. Great. It's not easy to do that. And she like, she makes

35:22 me feel uncomfortable. I'm like, fuck. You need layer therapy, like now. Now forever. Completely off the wall and she's selling it. We got this, like amazing scene, where Cal comes down with his little peanut head, wrap his toilet paper, like a trap. He's cracking up and this is where we get the mr. Big Balls. Yeah. Yeah, Mr. She called me. Mr. Big ball. What else is he says like you and that dick seeing you. You like swinging dick, like big winner. Like I also like him dance. Just like signing is hard

35:52 to Maddie like with his Tiffany bag and he's just like completely ignoring. He's just like, fuck you dude, and then he goes where seatbelt and towels like walking away cracking up like a manicure cows. Like okay, Dad Collison. Cal is like already caught the superlative, like he's the baby of this episode. I'm Elvis tracking the Sun for sure. It's so funny in this like hilarious. Absolutely. Well, we got all these like flashes, right?

36:22 We're back to like, Elliott room and jewels playing the little truth, or dare. Dare. Dare. Dare you to lick my classic my school. It's like, it's like when you'd be in the hot tub when you play like let's play the finger game where you put on a finger. If you'd done something dirty, like they're definitely like doing that together. Sharing very high school, but I kind of like seeing this. I already said that last time. I mean they are in high school, so it's fine. About it. So why do you think I was going to ask you this? I took a note. I forget like why does Elliot not do

36:52 the line that we left him? Is just not feeling it because he's feeling bad about Jules. Now. He knows his clothes to Jules and Airy feel shitty about like, yeah militating re doing drugs, like the whole Diner battler and stuff. So I think he's like and I think he also likes Jewels now, so he's like, I don't want to be like, hell, fucked up around jewels and like not have her know, like, yeah. No, I know. Got it. Yeah, he's just feeling bad about it. Well, that lets go like we said yes, I'm integrity and his character does like

37:22 we're okay with Elliott Ali class. We were like fuck. We were really like I made a whole post on Instagram. How much weed up yet. So now I'm like I kind of have to like, I'm not going to add to be loved him, but we're good with it. I think he's always had these Abominations and I think he may still have bad motivations at least partially but he has also shown that he has like, yeah, like you said, he just has Integrity. So I'm not really like mad. About it anymore. Like, he's just trying to. He's trying to get it in Andrew. Honestly gave him like a, massive opening, like

37:52 ruse, not like satisfying Jewels. They gave him that like that. He's stuffing in a little bit till she gets the support Jewels without feeling guilty. Like, that's the best position to be in. If you're like, yo, I'm with this girl. She's cheating on her girlfriend, but also, like she's really sad and like that, girls out for it. She's all there for her. So, like here I am the big savior. Like yeah. Yeah. In fact, that's what I mean when I'm like I still don't necessarily trust his motivation. But at least he's like a stand-up dude like yeah, he

38:22 is but also like all right. And so, I don't know. I don't like that. He's like interrupting their relationship, but I got it. Yeah, I don't either. I mean that's what I mean. Like his motivation. This whole time has been pretty questionable. Like why is he involved with them at all? Like yeah and this whole like let's go still alcohol. That was like dude. It's very high school or Choice. Very funny though. I mean nothing happened. That's not like yeah, but that car window that cost probably what? Like 100 to 200 dollars to replace and they got

38:52 what, like, a fifteen dollar box of like white cloud. Okay, not just like lot black cherry. Let's look, let's just take a minute. Here. You go into the gas station, you have? Yeah. It was a plethora and jewels goes for the black cherry white cloth. Jewels, not even Cooks. There's only like what how many cans are in those things? Like not even 12, 16 20 for Sometimes, no. Those are the really big ones. Like there aren't even that many cans between the three of them. They're not even gonna get drunk off. It was just

39:22 dumb and honestly, like, it's fun to have a high tolerance in high school year. Damas fock, you do shit like that, but also poor choice. And why don't they just go to Fez? Would sell them alcohol in the point was to be like van and Darren. Yeah, it's fun to do stupid shit. Yeah, honestly, it was fun. Like the clear having fun in the moment, but then it takes a turn because really they're feel asshole. Yeah. Yeah. We kinda skipped it. Par true is like they got to a point where they like driving away and I don't know what it is. But I think Rouge is acting

39:52 kind of weird. Oh, she's drinking and smelly. It's like you can't drink, and then Jules is, like, what the fuck is going on. I'm very like, out of the loop, but I didn't realize that even in this moment, Jewels still doesn't know about the drugs. She's just kind of like what's going on, but ruis, that's why he doesn't push it too hard. He's like.he like brings it up, but he can't really go further on it without Like revealing the reason. Yeah. Doesn't like go too much further, but he likes still says something. He's like, dude. You're gonna die. Like

40:22 yeah, don't drink that blocked or a white cloth. Real, that's all doing anyone's. Well, that's like the most tragic part, right? Because she literally says, like, leave me alone to Joel's and it's like, harsh. It's not like no, trauma. It's fucked up. She's away. I mean, it's really sad, but it's also like it's just a classic tale of an addict. Like, yeah. Even on the like last week. We already saw like the depths to which we was willing to like, fuck over the people, she loves for addiction.

40:53 But this week, I think the Lakes sexual aspect of it was like, even like a new layer of like Darkness. Like I feel like I can really get any time that's in a movie or something where someone's like, just like ruined like sexually from like drug use and they're just a disaster. Like that's like sometimes almost like even darker or can just be like very like unsettling and like creepy first like Mulholland Drive. I've like when that whole scene oof. Yeah. Dark having super very dark. I got some like of those vibes in this, the very light drives

41:24 through the canyon. The, the lighting. Yeah. Dark like poor aspect. Yeah, speaking of like the, the use of like film was super like obvious in this episode, really pretty the lighting. Like, it was very clear that there was a lot of that Grain on the really dark shots. And I also love that, like, I love the lighting this season, they've transitioned from like, Really like neon heavy stuff. So this relay Chloe black like incandescent light, like chiaroscuro thing

41:54 that really goes with, like, the lake. Especially in this episode. I feel like it goes with the real heavy leg traditional, like art like Vibe. Yeah, they nail it Eddie and like you said, it's a little horror, especially like the whole birthday cake. Seen definitely looked like a horrible. You like so pretty though? Like so well done. Yeah, for everything in this, like, when Cassie's dad, Dancing with the balloons and I like strangled like it's very like artsy and like some people could that's why I think you for is not for everyone because I always say this some

42:24 people watch you for you. So we had someone write in I was literally pulling up my phone to look at it. Someone did like they wrote in to us and quote-unquote like changed my mind bitch, which is what we do. I'm not trying to like jump to it, but they were pretty much like we disagree with you. We feel like this season is a lot of drawn out dancing and like experimental and we're not into that. Like I can't fuck with the pacing. It has great moments, but I want more dialogue and less of this like artsy shit. And I'm only saying that right now, instead of putting that at the end because

42:54 I was thinking this is why I like this episode and I feel like that's where Euphoria doesn't like sit with everyone. I don't think it's this like CW show that everyone's face to just like, like it's very tailored to people like you and I that's why I could appreciate real depth and art and complex storylines. And so, for someone aspirational, it's aspiring to be more than like a teen show. Low or high school show or whatever and it's not like light on its feet. There's a lot of shit that like I do think you have to also have like a cinema

43:24 background to appreciate Euphoria. Ha takes from Fades. I do think that I'm going to be pretentious and I think that's a little pretentious. I don't care. I feel like a lot of basic Goods. I was certain petting, a lot of basic people are. Like, I'm really not into like season 2 and I'm like, well, that makes sense because it's not some like basic easy, plotline of like high school. Like you said, It's a lot more deep and there are like, certain parts of it, where, like, you have to appreciate, like weirdness. You have to be kind of Gonzo in. Like, I think you have to be like, appreciating

43:55 Cassie, like strangling herself and cheap balloons and like the music and like the vibe of it to me is like, so invigorating. And for some people that's like a turn-off. They're like, this is weird and you're like, well, I think I do. You know what I'm talking about that? I do. I think I disagree in that, I don't think that you like need that background to appreciate or a loved one. What's going on? I think it can deepen your understanding or what you get out of it to recognize the influences. He's pulling in.

44:25 But I don't think that that's, like a prerequisite to like what's going on on and what's happening. I think it's just different, different Vibes and different storytelling modes for different people. And I think like, I mean, the reason I'm into Euphoria, is because this element was present in season one, just to a much smaller degree. And that's the only reason I was ever even interested was because you got these flashes of it. No, one season two, it's it out in like full display and that's why I think I really like like season 2 space touch. But in season one with more of like the mix, I think there were a lot

44:55 of fans that were probably on board for the other reasons that were a was a little more like high school like drama pop culture to it. The music was like Drake like yeah, it was all pretty sure it was like all this stuff that you can relate. It was real like fat. It was like making like fashion, like waves. It was very like seeing like trendy like, you know, Social media, modern, whatever, and the seasons like drastically different at the influences are much less like on Trend or current

45:25 and are much more like pulled from like a rich history of like art from like like this whole episode is like, based on the whole, beginning of the episode puts on display, like what? He's like influenced by these paintings these. Like, I mean cartoons, we talk about the Spanish, like all kinds of stuff. What was it? He talked about the Spanish murals was like his Mane inspect for this whole. Yeah the shot with Cassie with all the flowers is inspired by these leaks. Spanish everything. They said the church in like virgin.

45:55 Yeah. It was like so the church the swimming pool scene, like everything's very like Mexican mural, right? And that stuff was very like President season one. Like I said just to a lesser degree. So I think how much your liking or not liking season to very much. Depends on how much you like that part and how much versus like how much you were there for like High School drama story. It's because those have been largely dropped to the Wayside in favor of like something like pressure far more like conceptual and that either when I was my heart take I'm sorry.

46:26 That's just how I feel. Yeah, but I before we move off of the subject last thing I have to say is I think that the lighting in this season, this kind of, like, newer style of it, and I think it complements the storylines really well because it has that, like, classic, like, baroque art feel of like, very, like high drama. It's very high emotion. It's like, you know, it's highlighting scenes of like lust and betrayal and like, you know, real like familial like beef, like, you know, the real, the real

46:56 real like heavy stuff season 1 was like, you know, like who did this who's blackmailing, who, who has just a second who has the sex tape? Like it was much more rooted in like the current moment and like and then like day-to-day like bullshit about who's going to jail. He's getting beat up. Who's fucking who? Yes, absolutely. This is like, you know, the real life. Rama like Shakespeare shit. Like, yeah, and I think that the lighting really well labrum says the same thing about the score. It's not just the lighting. He said, like season one, Fantastical, a little more like

47:26 you said, like, trendy like fun Whimsical Whimsical but this season's very like it's all spiritual. It's like very heavy like church tones. Like it's getting a little deeper and not necessarily darker, but just like a little more gospel, a beefier. But moving on, I guess from that little rant. Sorry. I just thought of that and went Hard and saying that, but I just that's my hot. Take, go hard. But we gotta continue with the birthday party because this is like the iconic. I

47:56 would say, this was my like highlight of the episode other than cows, like monologue. But this whole birthday parties. Insane, let's first talk about Miss Howard and how she's just fucking mrs. Howard -. Oh, it's Miss because she's like, not with the best powered. Yeah. She's like girls, you're my girls. Like let's have a good night tonight. They're all cheer. So I was all Moms in my own town. That's so weird. I was joking with Alex. I was like, that's like that's kind of cool. And Alex was like--that's. Not fucking cool. No, Mom should be letting like it slips drink.

48:26 I mean, it's like if she gets caught for that, you can go to jail. I know serious shit. Like I don't think world. I'm like, oh, that's so cool. But I'm like, you're right. I don't necessarily think it's so like you're responsible. Like, I don't know. So I don't not like, oh, it's so bad to give like, high schoolers alcohol, but I'm like, I don't think it's a very good as a parent. Well, a single parent of two. Girls to put yourself in like legal Jeopardy like or something. Sorry to know your daughter's. She's sort of been questioning her daughter state of mind. She's like is your sister okay to like see and if she's letting her chug

48:56 every Ava, whole bottle in the house. Yeah. I'm just power. Quit working on BB in the living room and take care of your daughter. Come on ladies. Stop it up. Let's go. These kids need a mother Lexi's about to write a play. Exposing her sisters, private life, the entire school, like, for sure enough. I do think I'm planting a tiny. See you die. Don't dwell on it, but I thought the scene because of us talking about Barbie possibly storming offset. Whatever. I actually am an opposition. I think at storyline is progressing pretty normal

49:27 has she had a lot of screen time? No, but that's not to say there's four episodes left. Everybody needs to calm down. She might have more of a story. Also. I think that like this little moment between her and Maddie was needed and important when they're at the party, and she like tells Maddie, like her feelings about Ethan. I think it was cute because Maddie and her had that huge falling-out. In season one. And all you really see is them at prom kind of being like, I'm cool like sitting at the same table as you but we never see them like rekindle. So I thought that was sweet that Maddie was like a little more human and like, gave a shit

49:57 and was like, girl, like if you feel that way like you gotta go through feelings and I was like, see that's where I'm a Maddie like Stan. And Alice is like, I still hate Maddie. Well this season, I don't know, maybe she's gotten bumped down. It was like, Come dance with me. It's my birthday. Like have fun. Like she was being cool. Give her a little give her. Points as far as the cat storyline goes, I agree with you. There's still 4 C, 4 episodes left. So I don't have a problem with it. And also like there's only eight episodes. They can't like, feature every single storyline

50:28 like Grand detail. There's going to have to be like a paring down of storylines over time. Well, there doesn't have to be, but if you want to really like dive into these, you need to, like, pick the two of them are named, like a can brush them all into, like one episode and I don't. But what I will say is that I think the only thing A, I find problematic is that we've just been, like, presented with this fact that like, had a super unhappy with Ethan without that ever being, like shown or explored like, what is going on? We don't have no clue.

51:00 Can we get like a little more like, is he bad at being a boyfriend? Doesn't sound like you. She seems like he's perfect. But like, I don't understand where she's coming from. We like being like an angry because we never see them together. Totally like this. She will. Is she just like secretly at hard? She needs. Big manly Barbarian guy and that's what she lost that. Well, I think that is a book. I was when she was in, um, in season one, though, you know, he was going to, she told Maddie what she said, and she said, it's just too good. And I think from season one, we kind of learned that that actually does make sense without having too much detail,

51:31 which is that she was, like, fucking older guy. Like she got exposed like, a lot of stuff like I'm just like I know it wasn't. It wasn't what she like, saws like Olaf and like a good, right? But I feel like they're playing it off like Ethan's of pussy and he like, you know, he's a little Appearance. But he also showed that he was down now your Halloween he grabbed her to the bathroom. Yeah, right. So I'm like, well, he wasn't like, you know, mr. Like soft boy. Like I know he was like I'm not giving him enough credit. He was a little like bit of an early conference is for even know it. Like

52:01 I know that happened but like he wasn't just like a total mess. His hands in like five seconds for like give him a minute. Like wasn't like mr. Like Goody Two-Shoes. Like he was a little down for stuff. Yeah. None, then I'm gonna steal it was down. He was hot. So, the birthday party is like it's a shit show, but it's also like kind of fun. I like this a lot. Yeah, the birthday party commences. It just keeps going. It's a hot mess. Be

52:31 these got an Adidas dress on. She's twerking a little, she's really swaggering in this episode. Every time they show her walking. She is like moving. I know. I like it. She's just having fun. She's hustling. She's drinking. She's out. A good time. Just keeping it together. Lexi. Look, super cute. I was a lot of people were riding in and tweeting. It was kind of funny. There were like Lexi's, like two mature and cool to be like involved in the drama. She's just observing for her like her play. A lot of people were like, she's definitely like purposefully,

53:02 like standing back for sure. And like not engaging to like make note. That's what I thought the whole time. Like, she's just like, so I think she's so kind of like turned off by a lot of what's going on with this friend group, that she's like, and she's so passionate. I like the whole play that she's doing that. She's really like taking that back. Seat role is like the The Observer and the recorder. And she's like like she's documenting everything and it's all gonna come back later for sure. And I feel like we've all been there when you're like, passionate about

53:32 a project. She's just very like all consumed. Yeah. I love it. But man there we just dive into the hot tub seen. No, no, wait. First, first Cassie walks down the stairs. Wearing bathing suit it out. Those bathing suit. Everyone's just like the fuck like Alexandra and I love my loved one guy Coastal. That. Was it. What is she said? That fit was a choice. Something like I forgot. No, that's really what she says. She's like that's it was a choice. Yeah, like what? Like very

54:02 baffled and then she's in the basement like classic rocking it with like a bottle of white wine. Just like her mom. Yeah balloons, but then she's also when she's walking on the bathing suit you and I were laughing and we also Our listeners to do some research. What the fuck is Kathy drinking? What's that light blue? Like when she's in vodka ice. She's drinking wine white wine, but pre that she does have like a clear bottle of like Windex. Looks like some kind of like shitty wine cooler. That's why a wine cooler. Yeah. I guess it's not that excited to do

54:32 research, but I'm just like I want to know what she's doing. I just purposely not a label and I have to do that. I am a connoisseur of Chief alcohol and I didn't recognize it. No, but what else we got Maddie throws out some Good Hood. Wisdom to cat. She says she says, people are retarded which is genuinely great. Wisdom cat is always so worried about what everyone else is like thinking and doing that their lives and how to like approach her life. They saw all this stuff and like at the end of the day, people are retarded. So just don't fucking think about that stuff. And I know

55:03 and honestly, that's like Viola Maddie. She's just like Relentless. Like, I feel like she reminds me of you and I sometimes like she just kind of says what she thinks and she's like, you know what, I don't care that like retarded. We can't use right now. Shut up and listen to my advice. I don't think she's had that happen. No, but I really can't predict at the cat. Was like, Maddie, like, I'm pretty sure you can't say that. And she just ignored her and kept going and it's like, you say that? Yes. Yes. That's the funny part of it cat. Literally goes Maddie. I'm pretty sure you can't say that. And she's like, whatever they are retarded.

55:34 She doesn't care because Matt is just like in the moment. She's just really like herself and she's not in front of like an audience. She's all like insta live like using that word like she's just kind of Like cool, like herself. I don't know. I just always loved Maddie for that reason, but unfiltered, and it's not always right, but like, I kind of like that. She just owns it. She's not PC. That's for sure. But, you know, neither we so, so we got the jacuzzi seen. Everyone's life trying to WAN down from the night.

56:04 I'm already laughing because I'm like, God, this is just such a shit show, but it's also something that would probably happen to you and I with our College friends, Cassie just fucking pummels into the hot tub. Falls in is Maddie, and like can barely sit, and everyone's just like the fuck, because everyone else is like very level, like chilling. Like, you know what? Maybe he'll like, two glasses of wine. No. No, what is wildin out ever? If anything, everyone's on, really good vibes, but I love this part because as much

56:34 as I know, you don't like Maddie, I like that her Nate. Have this moment in front of everybody, meaning she's always kind of been behind closed doors than they and she's right. He gaslights her left and right. Right. And she has to report back to her friends and tell them and they kind of rolled her eyes. Like, well, yeah, he sucks. Kind of mode, which is still the same but for them to like see it in real life, I think was important. They're never around when they're fighting. So it was kind of funny. But also like Nate was just kind of being normal. He was like, we're not together and she was like, what was that?

57:04 You said that like way too fast and he was like, I mean, we're not. So in that moment as a dude, were you kind of like siding with Nate? Like he was just being logical. He was like, I mean, we're not together. There. She said it first so it's like he's just playing off of what you said. I mean he fucked up if in the sense that if he listed Cassie before he started you see that too. Yeah. I mean, I think he fucked up in the sense that if he wants to get back with Maddie that wasn't the right thing to say, you should have said fucking nothing but like it's not like he said he doesn't so rowdy

57:34 doesn't want to get back with Maddie is the point. Well, he's trying to kind of squeeze his way there right now, but she like, you know, she said and her life, he's trying to feel like you said for alternative motives to Get the disc. I don't know if I even really know what his motives are at this point. He's really been a mystery this season. Yeah, I have no clue. Maybe he doesn't even know. Yeah, but it is funny because he looks like cos he's like, no, we're not and then Maddie's she's not stupid. She's like, what did you say? Like, you were so quick. That was like a reflex and

58:04 then I kind of like the cat is like shut the fuck up. I have my own mind. How dare you like insinuate that I would just like side with Maddie. Like out of fear is cats. Never been like that with Maddie. Yeah, right. I mean I was happy to see naked roasted by them and like they're not wrong. It's just that like he only said that because she said it first like he didn't come out. He didn't jump the gun on it and be like, no, we're not back together. She said well, I think he did. I think you did because Cassie was in such a poor state that he felt kind of sorry for her and that moment and was

58:34 trying to cover it. Oh, I think so. There is no way he looked at her when he said it he was clearly trying to be like giving her the like no, We're not, I don't think he could cast about Cassie. Oh, I think he's juggling. The two of them and it's not working out. Well, I don't think so. I think people won't smoke a cigarette. He wants Maddie because Maddie and him have history but he'll I think a part of him really does like Kathy. I don't know. I kind of think he's ready to dunk a see in the dumpster. But well, I think he was after the

59:04 next part where she fucking projectile vomit everywhere. Then yes, after the even before that. I mean Maddie were outside, watching her, lose her mind in the basement. He's just like, what the fuck. That was funny in that. He's like, he's like she always like this when she drinks in mind. He's like, yeah, I think he's all right. Trying to get back with Maddie for whatever reason and he just I think he just fucked up and jump the gun and agree with her when she said, we're not back together and then he was like caught like, okay. Well, I will say this, watch it again later.

59:34 He looks right at Cassie when he says it, that's all I'll say. So if he's looking at Cassie, he's clearly looking for her like reaction. So I think there was underlying tone to that, but But it's such good. Timing house. Like you said, you wanted to marry me have my babies and then cos he's just like like everywhere like a psycho, and we watch the behind the scenes. It was kind of cute and fun to hear like how they had to like, put a shirt or whatever. Like what was it like a straw or something

1:00:05 like in her mouth, like a mountain packet like her mouth, that connected to like some pouch. And when she did it, it would like shoot everything into her mouth and then she had to like, spit it out. I would have really - that was me, it sounds pretty disgusting. I have like gag reflexes and she also like you can see when she does spit it out. It's chunky. So I think it was like chunky chunky. Well, she has chunky, babying it everywhere. And when she's throwing up and I'm like, can you imagine sitting there silently during a scene as your mouth being fulfilled

1:00:35 with like chunky fake vomit? I would actually vom like on the spot. No, it sounds horrible, but it's a great scene. Everyone's like sounds pretty old, baby and Cat. Get out of the hot tub. It's that's probably one of my favorite Euphoria scenes. But the best scene is this. I'm not gonna lie. I literally made a note of this thought Miss Howard for sure. Pulling Cassie, out of a hot tub. Like I get it. She's the mom. But I'm like that could have been the moment where Cassie spilled the beans. I

1:01:05 really think Cassie was gonna say like I had sex with me. I feel like she was about to just unleash it way too fucked up. She was sobbing. I'm sorry in her mom was like honey. Like she I think she is feeling the guilt of fucking up her birthday. Well, she was feeling the guilt of yes, really everything they but she was like, yeah. Outwardly expressing. That is like, I'm sorry, I fucked up. Yeah, but I'll show you something to eat later. There were some hilarious tweets for like Miss Howard's like, you know, figure out all seven. They're all like Miss Howard. You fucking said it. Like

1:01:35 Cassie was about to like spill the beans and you like, like she dead bodies like carried. Yeah. That's yeah, that's our dragging. Her out of the house. That is our greatest. Great seeing though because when you're she did that so well because when you're in that fucked up, that really like is how it'd be like you're just so like she was she did it that way. I just think Sydney Sweeney captured what it's like to be in that state of like just pure like vomiting drunkness where you are just like yeah. This long face is like

1:02:05 Beauty red like and my favorites when she's going up the stairs and looks back at me and you can tell me it's just like, oh fuck like never No, I think he's been done with her for a while. I think he was done with her. After the vomit. I would be asking how he definitely nasty vikas. He's losing her goddamn, if he's still on board after that. He's even dirtier than we thought, poor Cassie. Well, if well, we ran out of cook. So, we're back on the cocktail. Yeah, excuse the ice, jingling around,

1:02:36 like, we're on my trailer park, boys. I've been here, but I'm drinking out of a metal straw. It's real clanky. So, sorry. So what else happens? We got the The well for the party scene, is there anything going up the stairs? Looking back at me in that moment? I'm like you gotta drop this like you've gotta say buh-bye Cassie Howard. Like she has lost her goddamn mind. Yeah, it's sad. She's off the hinges. She's desperate.

1:03:06 She's just on. She's a sloppy, Joe and a half. I love. I love her character. So I hope she's like a phoenix that Rises From the Ashes, but I don't see that. Opening. Yeah, I don't know some serious therapy. All right, cool. Yes, it's big in the colour. I think an extra should we talk about Rio? We have the whole room. Dream sequence Rue gets like obliterated. I, maybe odie's again. We don't really know. But like in the behind the scenes. So, I am is talking about, like, how we reaches this place when she gets like, insanely high, or she can kind of, she's

1:03:37 like, kind of Between Worlds and she can like interact with her dad in some way through these little. Yeah, crazy high dreams. Sequences. Well, I also like the he also brought up the point in the behind-the-scenes little clip. He said that you have to always remember at the root of it that really lost her father and that's extremely significant to her drug addiction, but it's not the reason. But it is something that she always kind of goes back to and I think often like throughout. I mean, it's the reason she started doing

1:04:07 drugs. It's not their whole reason. She does drugs. Because what I'm saying is we're lying other issues. I'm saying they don't use that as an excuse throughout. Right, but it's deeply connected to her drug use, because that was the Catalyst for her to actually start. Yes, 100%. But I think that's a yet. Another reason I fucking love you for it. As I feel like they don't just point to one thing and go. Yep. Of course. She does drugs. Her dad died. Like they didn't make it like this formula. It's very like spiritual and that whole scene. Oh my God. I was

1:04:37 absolutely per usual, like sobbing, that was just so hard to watch because its first of all, it It kind of brings you back to season one when she has those like funeral type moments where you don't know if it's your funeral or not or moms giving the speech. It's very like yeah. Jules is there Elliot sir? It's kind of like what? It's just like, you're almost you don't care about the details. Labyrinth. Is there a it is there with his hand outstretched, but I've with his hand outstretched to the Head

1:05:07 love, Labrinth preacher. Lavro. I love Labyrinth. I also he's just so adorable. You can't not love him. He said It was like his favorite moment in time ever like filming. This was just like incredible because he's just kind of always been behind the scenes. Yeah be pretty. So kind of cool. He gets to be in it on stage. Yeah red. Tux and I will say this. Once again Sam does a good job of like not making shit like cheesier. Unbelievable. Like I just didn't think that that was not like in any other tribe if

1:05:37 that's fucking stupid but in Euphoria, might that make sense like we don't have to know it's Labyrinth but like he's just like the church preacher. Dude, and like she's in this like weird rugs State. She's like hearing the music. That's all throughout the show. Yeah, and he's an analog for death. Yeah, he's wearing the same color and she's embraced very symbolic visioning. Yeah, her dad and then at the end you have like the the horrific pull away where she's just like, staggering around alone in her room, which is like freaky dark. It's dark, but it's also, I don't know. It broke my heart.

1:06:08 And the reason I was like sobbing was because I like had moments like that. Like as I've said on this punk-ass many times, like I I started at a young age and there's many times where I've obviously, I'm not a drug addict, but I've gone through my like really fucked up phases in life. And when you've lost someone and socks you like feel like you're like doing them wrong. Like, even if you don't like me, I don't believe in like afterlife or any of that shit. I don't like, think about it that way, but you still feel that way. You feel like, what do you like, feel like you're doing them wrong in those moments because it because, like,

1:06:38 my crew, I was a child, she was young. And so you have this, like, you only have a childlike. Relationship with your parent. So you want them to think the best of you even when you're an adult people. I know now that have parents like they almost look they don't you don't always want your parents to know what you're doing. Like you're not telling your parents, you're out like projectile, vomiting jacuzzis, like doing driving you're doing drugs or drinking. Remember the part where she's like, I'm not a bad person. I promise and her dad's, like I know you're not a bad person. Like no one ever said you were a bad person. So you just feeling guilt

1:07:08 for like the shit. She's going through and I can just strongly that's like, it gives me like Literal Goose Bumps because I felt that way so many times, and I'm not a spiritual person. I don't think room is either, but I think sometimes when you're elevator like fucked up, drunk Stone, whatever it may be, you, you do kind of connect to that shit. I'd them times Alpha noses. Like any time. I've felt really like I've really opened up and then vulnerable, I'm not proud of it, but it's usually when I'm fucked up because you kind of get

1:07:38 in the state of like if you're not a really like open person about your emotions. That's like the time where you feel Liberated and you can like, yeah, feel those things. So, I get my rule under room is like, slow dancing with her. Dad, even though he's not there. Like I got that. Like, it's it's dark shit. But like, if you're not someone that's like openly going to therapy or talking about this shit. Sometimes, that's the only way you can access. Yes. It is drugs for robots or like experiences. Yeah, we've learned that ruse. My, but did we can't feel things without drunk?

1:08:08 She said it many times. I don't feel until I do drugs and that's why I do drugs. So it's Work. Yeah, but yeah, that scene was so well done. But wow, yeah, ass shit but not as heavy as what Cal has to say. It's next couple scenes. Hot. Damn girl. Really is like a mood and a half this episode. Here's a character, the main character energy. Yeah, big time Cal. I've, you know, Sydney Sweeney for the yummy. Let's talk about Eric Dane for the a me.

1:08:38 Yes, and it takes a lot. So without your Big dick piss all over the floor for the foil member of your family. Well, also, I read an article right before we did this. And Eric Dane said that that monologue was actually like extremely difficult and like they did like 16 shots of it in a row, but I was like, that's it, like meeting. So it's a lot. Oh, I know. But he's had like part of him manically

1:09:08 laughing and kind of being crazy was because of how many times they did it. Yeah, that's like Kubrick shit, but You said it was really important and he was on the same page like he was involved in. Like I want to do it again. Like he wanted to like get it perfect. So I did not speak. So like every day and being a baller like he was, he really like he did such a good job. Like that. Scene wasn't was watching it going. You think it's like you think you've hit like the bombshell and you're like, holy shit. I don't cut and then they just go, right? I monologues

1:09:39 usually like they don't usually come think so. I don't know. I'd have to watch it again. But like they just You when you're watching that scene, you like hit the bombshell, you like? Holy shit, and then he just keeps going and he keeps going. And he hits like bombshell after bombshell me like God, how long is the singing it fucking go on? He's just like roasting every member of the family and like scathing by or you ain't like revealing every family secret. Like the only thing I have to say before that that we totally forgot is when he takes off his shirt, in the barn is like wanna wrestle. Oh, yeah, let's back

1:10:09 it up. So before this cowl is drunk driving like a maniac live. Lee hands in the air. Like no roller coaster. Yeah, like he's in a roller coaster hits up his old gay bar. Yeah. It's like kind of like the Wake. He's kind of like, the, the be like, old Queen like, yeah, seen better days, but the younger gay is like, kind of like, there's reactant, like house of love and compassion for, and that guy. So sweet like dances with him. It's all like, that was

1:10:39 cute. It is it's really like hunky-dory and like cute until Kyle's like, you know. No, look, I was a state champion and he's like wanna wrestle like because he's so into like thinking, it's his old bug, Ya Wanna wrestle him but this guy this guy's like the fog about. Remember the moment like you were crying a minute ago. Now you're like want me to wrestle. Yeah. So, you know cal ghetts state champion. He gets their own out. Yeah, it stinks championships officer. He does get the disco ball, which is nice. Yeah, it does get that as he leaves.

1:11:09 I'm proud of him for that. But then of course, this is one smart. Person does when completely wasted, he gets in his car and drives down like the most dangerous for he drives. He gets though. He gets the wink of approval from the, the old mural, man. The old cowboy, on the mural, gives them the secretive wink of approval. Which was funny because when we were watching outside were drinking, when we were watching and I was like, I was cracking up and was like, oh my God, like the mural just winked and I was like, no, it didn't? I thought, Alice is fucked

1:11:39 up. I was like, you're so dumb. Believe me. I was like, shaming you so hard and then we were Wind it and I was like, you thought, you completely thought I was full of shit. I was like, no seriously, and I don't back it up. Yeah. Yeah, the mural goes amended wink, the mural gives them a little wink of approval and then he goes, I love that. I kind of love that truck drives his ass back, home. And then and then we get this like crazy little dog goes Fucking lose. It says he's pissing on the foia. He's whipping his little prosthetic dick around and that

1:12:09 was another funny part in the interview that I have to bring up. Of course. They're like, we have to ask At a prosthetic. It's like, of course, I could not have lasted, 16 shots of my dick out. Yeah, but he also laughs. He's always so funny. He was like I could have done it but no one wanted that like, he was down. He was like, all I do it. Like, I don't know if it'll look like good. I'll get ya. He does those crazy. Like, I mean, I have to get my notebook of him for those. I wrote down all the quotes because there were so many good

1:12:40 years has what was your favorite gets home at the I forgot about how good it is, when the bartender or the bouncers. Like, I warned, you like 10 fucking times not to wrestle anybody. What does he say? The bar 12 oz. Like, I warned you like 10 fucking times not to wrestle. Anybody would come like, a notorious. Like, just loves to like, wrassle people like at the bar and then get out of here. So funny that like, fuck out because I like, how after he's peeing. He just looks up at his wife. He's like, I'm

1:13:10 lonely and that's it. And she goes, put your penis away. If all goes no, I literally wrote this in my notebook. I go after peeing equals Kyle saying, I'm lonely. Marsha says, put your penis away in Casa. No period. Oh, what's up, baby? Boy, meatballs out here yelling. Yeah. We need to take a break. I meatball break take a break. All right. Okay, we're back from the meatball break. Sorry, our cat is loud and

1:13:40 vocal and he also has opinions about Kyle. And I Like meatball, the reason he probably yelled was because there's this quote that I also wrote from Cal goes. I'm a Rottweiler literally direct quote. I'm a Rottweiler he was as naming, like, he was like, I'm a dog. I'm a Rottweiler hear some amazing wines. It's kind of, that's a little, like, he's gotta eat what I kill. You know, how many men I fucked? And his sons are just like, what the fuck. And the only sad part

1:14:10 is the wife is genuinely baffled. And I didn't realize this till I read. Sometimes you don't notice things until you like read the behind-the-scenes ship. But Eric Dane in this interview said that the point was that the wife actually never knows about his gay lifestyle. I actually, I feel stupid. I didn't know that. I thought maybe she knew and that's why in that moment. She's kind of like rolling your eyes, like, like are not only our eyes, but she just kind of like Riot why right now, are you doing this meaning? I thought, maybe since then, they died, like discussed

1:14:40 it. Like, when she said she was pregnant. I thought maybe they had a talk about It got it, but he says very clearly that like, no, this is the he said, like, Eric Dane was like, I feel bad for like the wife and the storyline because she really doesn't know, like any of this. So she's having to find this out, right? Which is shitty like, yeah, if your husband's just like I am, like lonely, I'm pissing in the foyer. Like, I regret my fucking man, our whole marriage. I've been walking, a transsexual transsexuals

1:15:11 like women. Men. I don't care and it's like, wow. Wow, that's a lot as like a wife, too. Oh, yeah, even though they don't have it's very obvious that they don't have like this Pappy like go lucky relationship. It's still shitty like find that out. Yeah, for sure. But yeah boy and there's that other quote. He says, I'm a sexist Chaser Pig fucking creep. Yep, great line that I got real Joe Rogan energy from a lot of him to rest. This wholesome meat head.

1:15:41 Yeah. He's obviously a little more A little more open-minded than Reagan in his sexual preferences, but the Rottweiler stuff like real. A guerrilla guys. I'm a dog. Like he's really goes like this. Like I eat what I kill. The fuck does that mean? Like you eat chili? That's not even our you what I kill is probably, I feel like I've definitely a direct Joe Rogan quote, right? It has to be but like, also we

1:16:11 joked Allison, I literally the same time. Alluded to during the episode of. We're like, why is Aaron living at home? Isn't he like 30? He looks like 3500 for. He looks older when no judgment. Maybe he really does. Meaning like we've lived with your parents. When we were like 30 somehow you were like 20, 20 20, K 20 to 30 same thing. Yeah, but still like, we were just joking because we're like, he looks so much older than me. He does not win the high schooler. I think it's just because he's supposed to be like a burnout.

1:16:41 Yeah. I'm going on, but yeah. He does get a but I think is arguably the best line in the entire episode. He comes out, and it's like what's going on in here. And goes, dad standing in the foyer of his dick out. What should I just love? That's so like I think that 41 our favorite lines and all of you for. Yeah. My favorite will not my Fletcher. Also. That's a, that's a meatball Vibe for sure, our chat. Yeah. That's what his dick out. We've always always there. We've always, always

1:17:11 standing in the, for always, pissing in the floor. This is the box and then later he pisses on the floor. And then later when cows, like you two assholes can draw straws to see who cleans it up. It's like me and that is me, Vault us, he pisses on the floor. And then he looks at us like you to households, have to figure out who cleans up my pissed because I just peed all over the for some other words were called--. Meatball is know where Aaron and made me all these kind of evoke pisses everyone. Like a meatball is cow. We're left to deal with the aftermath. My favorite

1:17:42 is when cotton owers, like Like Aaron, do you know how much porn you have on your computer? I see like eight people pissing in other people's asses like you watched so much porn. Your mother would be ashamed and he's like you hear that Marsha like her your son watches porn. It's like what where is this coming from? Well, it's funny though, because he gets off the easiest. Everyone Marshall. He's like called Marshall like a freaking like a big slut. He's like you're still into that guy on Facebook that camp counselor. He says Nate's like a total psycho mystery

1:18:12 and are just gets off with being Like I don't like your taste in for it. Yeah, but your your porn taste is too hardcore for me. So overall I think he comes out pretty pretty good like compared to everyone else. You know, he does look pretty easy. He does say the Nate. Well first he drops the real like gnarly bomb of you are my regret or my biggest regret. He literally looks great in the eyes. As you're my biggest regret and they just said sound Savage. Also remember, like how have we never thought about

1:18:42 this meaning? We've always just It's assumed that Cal is Nate's biological father. But now I'm definitely questioning that. I kind of think. He still is his biological. Dad Ali, the night needs crazy or something's going on with him. In that moment. I was like, maybe it's this illegitimate child of the camp counselor. That Marsha is like flirting with on Facebook and that's why he's so like, I'm not into it or he's adopted or yeah, there's something there. I don't know. I think it's just that. He's turned out crazy, but we'll

1:19:12 see what he does. Said I'm sorry. What were you gonna say? I was gonna say, earlier in the episode. He has a line. That kind of indicates. It's more that it's his kid, which is when he's like, you're a part of me that I will never understand, but I take full responsibility. He also still like that indicates. It's more like his kid, but to piggyback off that he also says, I'm so sorry that I fucked you up with my double life and he says that to me. And so a part of me is like, Oh weird. Maybe that was just because Aaron was born. He had to like, be a father,

1:19:42 but then after that, he Was like struggling with his like sexuality with like his life is family in the Nate maybe even eight was like booop surprise were pregnant and then it's like no, I think that that was an acknowledgement of the whole sex tape thing. I think he's like, I know now that you've liked watching like taking some know about my whole secret life. So I think I did he is acknowledging like how much is like weird sex tape thing? Like fucked up Nate? Yeah. That's sad. I will say that the first moment where I do feel sorry for me because nature

1:20:13 is there, quiet. And I'm not saying I'm like, sitting there like, oh, boohoo, I feel so sad for any, like, that's how I feel. It's more that, like, in that moment if your parent looks in the eyes of your, my biggest regret drunk or not. Like that's, I mean, that's Savage. That's hard to start a horse and Nature's out there and kind of in silence once again, just kind of but he's not, he don't know how to explain it. He does look pretty. I saw a hint of sad. Not sad crazy. He looks crazy. But I also think

1:20:43 he looked a little like He's not shocked. I will say that he didn't seem surprised if you already knows that. Yeah, he's a straight face but there's going to be some shit that goes down. Kyle though. I will say like great and I wanted to bring this up, which I don't think, you know, but all over Twitter and every everyone's like so mad. I don't get it. Like who's supposed to be the main character? Like we don't give a fuck about like Kalin is back story. There's all this drama about it. Yeah, there's like all these people like heavily fans, Not people that

1:21:13 matter but like Are heavily criticizing like, where is Ruth? Like where's Jules? She had her special episode. Where is she? What the fuck about Callie? We don't need to see like a white male story. You know how it is. I know, it's terrible me or establishes. Integral characters to the story. Oh, there's always, establish, is important character. I know it's all bullshit, but I'm just bringing it up too. Because I knew you'd be like, oh my God, because I was like, this is so dumb, but everyone's like, pissed that ruin Jewels are kind of they're crucial to the story.

1:21:43 They're the two made. So it's important they're equal this whole episode. Every episode we've seen is equally divided. This wasn't like the cow. It's like Al's getting like he got what? Two episodes of some backstory, who cares? Like people are taking this way too literally and just need to calm down. Let the story play out and I don't even feel like that's worth addressing. It's like if you want to tell a story like in the long term and you have a show format to do it where you have room. Why would you not explore the background of six characters that are significant? It's also important.

1:22:13 Sorry, but he's a primary character. So it's a disservice to the story to not explore his motivations and psychology. Yeah, not only is he a primary character? I think it's important to see people at an older age. Go through shit like this. Not just young people because guess what? That's the thing. Yeah, people to older age have realizations, realize they're not happy go through midlife crisis. That's normal. But anyways, I thought you would thought that was like kind of funny. Yeah. Well, then there's good your it all wraps up. Neatly, with cow grabs, the portrait

1:22:43 with the the Third son, who is purely. I really thought we were going to get the answer to the third Mysteries. The little mystery being son. I thought we were going to get the answer and we didn't but do you want no dearly of importance? Because he takes the portrait, he walks out and he writes off the whole family saying this is farewell to the entire family says, this is child. Well, that is so Savage. He sells out. This is like, you've all like backed me into a corner. He's like, I'm an emotional man. Like you've all like, maybe

1:23:13 like, You've all like forced me to not make emotional attachments. He's like, let's see how he gave me away. He's like secretly you all like gave me a way out. He's like, I'm freaking out like, farewell farewell to you all. He's just like, fuck you all. Never gonna like, see you again. Well, hoop. The first, the Bubble of the mystery of the third son. But Eric Dane confirmed that he literally in an interview flat out that I read said, I've finished the season. I can tell you. I don't know anything about the third son. What are they gonna make an interview

1:23:43 after? You asked him. So every, every the storyline of the third son and he said, I'll just be transparent. I don't know. And I also don't know what the story is. But well they're obviously going to give us the story eventually because at this point is become crucial. I know but if it doesn't happen, see you doesn't know yet. He flat out said he doesn't know yet. So sorry you forums. But leave we have to wait till season 3. Yeah, baby little son isn't happening season 2, so we'll end it off with like the whole tie in of I was only

1:24:13 going. To bring up the, you know, the room Jewels thing one more time, because I noticed that the end scene, you know, they do those really pretty shots of, like, Lexie and the theater. We also, I don't want to go too in depth because I don't want to go like too long into this episode. But we also see fast could get some news for mouse that I don't want to ignore. Yeah. I mean, it's just a real brief scene there watching Invasion of the Body Snatchers him Faye and ashtray. I love them. They're all just always chillin watching. Good movies. That's great. I'm getting stoned. Yeah, it sounds great. It's

1:24:43 like And here's from here is from, what's his name? Alistair, right here is from Custer. The house is like baby mamas. Looking into like Mouse's death and is like what the fuck happened to Mouse? Which doesn't bode. Well, they better have dealt with that body. Right? But I feel like they probably didn't, like, not to Discount Fez. Look, he's trapped, good, but he looks pretty stressed. And if you had that body real good, you wouldn't look that stressed. What was probably just stressed because of ashtray who you, like? That's his little bro, and he's the one that killed him. So he's probably feeling.

1:25:14 In like the weight of like I mean if it comes out that they did, it faysal, take the fall for ashtray, obviously. So which is why all of our fans are presuming. My Fez is gonna have a bad moment and die. I hope he doesn't have to go to jail or die for this that I really just hope they had the body while, but they probably don't know. I just couldn't go without sayonara and the only other point I want to bring up was this moment that you and I both separately thought of which is when Elliot and jewels are together and you see like two prominent scars on Jules.

1:25:44 Hmm. Yes, and I when I saw them, I was just completely baffled. I was like, I just didn't even know what to think. I was just like, weird. I guess. I don't know. I guess we'll find out but you said you did, you do research and find out or like I heard people saying that it was like Jewels like cutting herself which seems plausible given like the stress of the situation and that they seem fresh and there's no other excuse for them. So I'm assuming that he should have a shower or something like that kind of thing. She just showered and work. However,

1:26:14 like yeah, but I hate that virtual. That seems probably. Right. I also liked at the end when they show like the picture of ruined jewels and they show like ruse a baby like running around. Sounds weird through the baby's weird. But okay, she said no, I just like I wrote on the coach said I love you. I've always been with you before you were born until after you were gone. I love you. I've always been with you before you were born until

1:26:45 after you're gone. I don't know why I thought that was like weirdly poetic but also like I couldn't tell what she was talking about. But at the end she says I love you like four times and then she's like it's always been you but I was wondering I don't necessarily think that's Jules. I was kind of wondering if it was like about her dad or maybe even about like her addiction like I don't know, like it meaning like it's always been with her before she was born and then it's still with her, like kind of Vibes, but maybe I'm reading way too into it. But she says it like,

1:27:15 it's very prominent because it's what the spits, what the episode ends on are interpreted based on the opening sequence of like the residuals love story as being in reference to Jules, but that may not be true. I don't know. I thought, why would she be in love with Jules? What before she was born? I mean, that doesn't, I mean, not to me that you're not as romantic. Well, because they kind of set you up at the Getting of the episode that it's real. This real like true love things like a Romeo and Juliet. Yeah, like a die-hard forever like love thing.

1:27:45 So like the kind of set it up that way at the beginning and that makes everything that follows more tragic. So I don't know, I guess I interpreted as referring to that but it doesn't necessarily know you're convincing me. You're gonna see me. I feel like that's very like Romeo Juliet Vibes, but I think that's a good spot to End plus. That's their story obviously. Yeah. Romeo and Jules Ruru and Julia. Yeah, ruined really? Oh, exactly. Really. Oh and Juliet Romeo and

1:28:16 Jules. Yeah, yet, beautiful. Okay, we need to stop drinking great great episode though all around amazing. Let's cheers to that. And then I think it's time to get in the superlatives. Absolutely. Whoo. Okay, so Pearl, it is time. Yes, Blazer. Best dressed. Mine was a tie. I'm just gonna say, who I initially thought, though, which was Maddie. I think it was her birthday. What outfit?

1:28:46 They circled the alpha. I also, it's cuz I watch the behind the scenes. Who said it was Marc Jacobs. Yeah. I thought elem charm that was for Maddie on the sleeve. And I also liked her like that her like rhinestone robe. Like when she was at home like nannying. Hmm. So right now, I just feel like it was her birthday. So I'm gonna let her take the cake. Fair enough. I'm going to say Jules. I like the the pants, the thong like sports bra situation with the eyeliner and the necklace.

1:29:17 The two bonds real cool, too. Yeah about that. Although Cal gets an honorable men. Honorable mention for the head wrap. What I look iconic, o.k. Icon worst-dressed. Cassie Cassie. I'm actually gonna go back at I thought the the birthday party dress plus gloves, Allah not Working for me. Oh my God, look at best dress. I put Maddie or cat. I wasn't working for me. The color was so so drab. And like, laying it was totally unflattering.

1:29:47 And then the swimsuit she had on was, like, weird. And like not well-fitted. I don't know. The author like looking good for a few episodes. I feel like in this episode, they made her so dumpy. I didn't maybe maybe that's why she stormed off sighs. Uh, yeah. Okay, but I actually I loved her outfit. So I will argue like I put her as best dressed. We're stressed. I just put Kathy. She's a hot mess. I love her but like hot fucking mess. Can't argue with that bay. Lavi episode. I said, cal cal cal like he calls it.

1:30:17 He calls all the shots. He'll fucking Nails, everyone to the wall and it's amazing. He calls himself a Rottweiler like, that's fucking insane hilarious. It's something to behold. All right. What about your? Big purple? Dirty Rapp after Roux? Really? Yeah. Real. Because despite all my emotions us despite all the feels and I know she's going through it. Meaning. I obviously I'm not an idiot. I understand like she's dealing with addiction. Like that's not

1:30:47 something to just go. Like horse. Like I understand why she's being a dick, but that doesn't justify. It doesn't dismiss like hurting someone. She's hurting Jewels. Also a great time to mention the theory. We have Last week, they were just got that entire suitcase of drugs just to do them was correct, which is just extra dark. Like, there's no way out. She has no plan to like recoup that money. She's just completely, she swallowed. She's just gone. She's completely spiraled into like an absolute.

1:31:17 Like, no way out. I know like Pat like she's fucked. So yeah, same class clown cow pissing all over the family wrestler. Bodyguard like Blazing wrestling. The bodyguards. Yeah. And just like chuckling like a manic psycho, like even before all that shit. Like when Nate was like, packaging, Maddie's gift. He was just like, haha, like of the kitchen. Like he was like cheers to my dumbass son and my being an idiot. Yeah. Mr. Big Balls over here.

1:31:48 Yeah fucking mr. Big Balls gets Class Clown. Alright best song. I actually say I already know yours and I agree with yours, but mine to be like different. Chose trademark USA by baby came. Do you listen to me? Became baby, Keem. Nobody's gonna be a Coachella. Yeah. He's like, Kendrick Lamar's like Mini-Me and for my job, I like, you know, describe it. But I uploaded like his whole tour for like my job the other day, a full. So

1:32:18 Paige loves baby. No, but I had to listen to it, like understand it and stuff, and I was like, I like this. So I was like, surprised to see him and Euphoria because I thought he was more new but I guess not. He's like Literally, there you go. It's a good sign. Mine was the the drink before the war, by Sinead O'Connor, which I'm probably pronouncing wrong because I don't know how to pronounce it, Iris. I don't either shit but it's good though. Yeah, that's like out the song. Kyle puts on, in the bar. Yeah, bar to dance to. I thought it was an old. It

1:32:48 sounds almost like an 80s, like has it is. Okay. Today. It's from the the 80s and 90s cool cousin. Say it sounds like a throwback. Yeah. Also love needs you. Night by an excess with a lot of bottles and I like the I like the cows like go to band is enough this before. When I love to that's a good one, there are a lot of good songs in this one. I also naturally love the James Blake, Labyrinth song and the chapel that was lit. Oh, I forgot to mention do

1:33:18 like I know it's like minor but I actually like really liked how the like episode ended on Cassie and that like weird roasting. I know we kind of touched on it, but that was a really like impactful likes. Strong ending to like a psycho episode. Like her eyes are just fucking bloodshot, red, and veiny. And she's just like sobbing. It's like very like intense. Like A Midsummer moment. Yeah. It was good. I like that. It's a good, like, strong way to, and that is psycho episode or referential Vibes of the episode. Yeah, it was

1:33:48 needed. It was good. So needed. So I think it's that time for change mama and bitch sweet-ass episode. Let's Change pace and talked about last week's episode for just a second. Yeah, and honestly, it's kind of a mixture, which is fine. What are the people want us to change our minds on? So the first one listener, wrote in and said, tired of you for your fans, when Ruth starts, exhibiting traits of long-term

1:34:18 addict. Maybe it's because I grew up around crackheads, or maybe it's because I have common sense, but I was not shocked at all when she was talking about gaslighting her friends and family. To hide her addiction. It's almost like crazy, but addiction ruins relationships, mental, health, and life in general. Sorry if that was aggressive, but I will defend Ruth my whole being. So I will say this, I think what this listener was saying is we kind of talked about rude being like annoying in that episode

1:34:49 how she kind of tricked and Bamboozled GI by being like, if I don't like smoke weed, I'll be suicidal and you, and I like agree that that was manipulative. So I think this person's like, Contradicting at saying, I've been around like people who have drug addictions like yes, you're like, I get it but also like that. Could be a real thing like addiction does like fuck up your life. So I think she was kind of saying, like, I don't know. I don't think we ever said the that was unrealistic. I just said, I know I did them and I like listen. I was like did I say that? Oh, really?

1:35:19 No. I didn't like say it like that, but I definitely said like I don't actually think she's suicidal. I think she's just saying that as an extreme to like get what she wants and that moment which is like, I'm gonna I'm sorry, but I'm high and like she wants Gia offer back. So what's the, what's the change our minds? They're like, because that sounds like, well, she's saying, like, which is that, like, people that are drug addicts, will go to any lengths, like, no matter how depraved including like busting up their family. She's defending him dry. She's defending Rue. She says I will defend room with my whole being

1:35:50 which in that moment you and I were not defending. We were like she's being a real bitch ass like she's using her family. She's doing some stuff I say move on because we're There's not actually a change our minds. We're both in agreement that ruse about ruse Behavior, which is that it's horrible, and we're also sympathetic to Roo and understand that her behavior is that of an addict. Totally person. Also seems to be saying I agree, but also sorry that you had to grow up around that that sucks. Like yeah, I mean, if I misinterpreted that,

1:36:20 please let me know. It sounds like we're all I'm saying, is that the end of that, like it Saint Augustine. This person. Really sorry that, you know, about all this because of personal experience. That sucks. Yeah. Yeah, I just mean it sounds like we're all in agreement that really Hagar is a realistic to pick. Yeah. What Alex will do to keep doing drugs? Yeah. Oh my all, I'm running up to is that I was definitely like I didn't you just throw in the suicide to like edgy at alike, feel bad for her? And she's kind of saying like, I don't think so. I think people really deal with that. Like, does that make sense? So it was also defending really like she was saying like

1:36:50 don't say that like the suicide threat wasn't fake. It was real. It was real. It was like raw just coming out of the seems clear enough. I don't know that. I don't know if I like agree or disagree of that makes. Yeah, okay. I don't know if I know yet either. This one's funny just a hot take. I have to just agree and not change your mind. That Elliot is a piece of shit and I just had to read like, that's funny. Yeah. Someone just said hot take Elia is an absolute piece of shit. I love the looking current. I love you guys. Appreciate it. Yeah.

1:37:21 Someone said spicy. Someone said I can truly see the change in Nate. I really feel like he is in love with Cassie. And he's obviously trying to sort out stuff with Maddie, but he really just doesn't know where he's at in life. And I feel like you guys always should on a but he really is trying with Cassie and I truly do think there are going to have a relationship. Hmm. I love your podcast. Just started listening. Oh, thank you. I think this episode probably disproves that more than like anything we could say,

1:37:51 but I guess you and I interpreted this episode Pretty differently in terms of Nate and his relationship to Cassie. So maybe not. Maybe it's still a big tea. I don't know. I mean, it's a TV for me to me. This episode was like, very clearly like Nate is not in the Cassie. He's trying to like distance himself. He really doesn't care. It's like half-ass, but you interpreted things differently. So I'm not that confident in saying that. So maybe this is still kind of on the table. I mean, like I said earlier, he's been very closed off. So we don't have much insight

1:38:22 into where he's at. The last one I have for you. This listener says, Hear Me Out the song that Lexie was listening to in riding. Her bike is really good. I know it sounds like screaming but Laura less is 1/2 of 100. What is it? Jack under gags gags? Listen to Han crashed by a mallet high as fuck and you'll see with a bunch of cute emojis don't have a problem with it. I mean like at the end of the day I

1:38:52 will always act like there is music but subjectively good. Bad, but like that's clearly wrong musics. Completely like subjective to The Listener and the hyper pops. Honestly more. It's more for me than a lot of people. I'm kind of into a lot of it that style. That's a little more on the screamo ask and of it really doesn't do it for me. So that's always rod for me, but I see the point and I don't hate it. Like I like some hundred guests stuff and

1:39:22 I do think it's like fitting for the episode. So So a valid, a valid recontextualization of. Yeah, so, that's all. I also like when people talk about music. I thought like, Alzheimer, literally just joking. Before we podcast it. But like I'm obsessed with Labyrinth. I think his score makes the show Alex never shits on it, but he like often like some jokes about it and like thinks it's funny, like he's still all the like, huh? Whoo. I still find it. A bit silly at times. It's a little hard to take it, seriously. And

1:39:52 some of the scenes when they're just like, whoo. Yeah. Like he doesn't like all the random, like, yelping and Labyrinth. Hmm. But I like like it. So like I'm all I'm saying is musics, just certain types of music and offerings like the like, he's like gospel. Like me goes like he has like all his weird little like background like like ablett gospel. Mucus is lava. He has his weird little like Yelps. Oh, yeah. Blooms that he like throws. A this really does it for me, but doesn't do it problems, but it does it for me. So I

1:40:22 feel a listener. I get it, but thanks for the ride. Ting in everyone, that's so sweet of you and yeah, just hear their responses. Yeah, we got a lot this time. I had to narrow it down to only a couple, but maybe next week we can do some more but this one was like a much longer episodes. We had so much to unpack. Also, I think it's fair that this one was much longer because it's the halfway mark. Well, I really like this. And he's like season. This is one of my favorite episodes of euphoria ever. If not my favorite, so it had to happen. It warranted like a thorough.

1:40:52 Yeah, third I section, I agree. Well, I think we did a great job and I can only imagine what's going to happen in episode 5. I'm like scared only in that fucking around. Well, should we cheers? I mean, can you can you ruin imagine? Oh my God rumination. Can you really imagine? He's in the next episode is going to be higher room. Ajan it. I just hope the cahsee like I hope she knows all the hang out, you know, the hangover cures. I have seen as the care of the dog. I hope she's okay. Things

1:41:22 are going to cure that hangover. She's fuck will also miss Miss Howard. Obviously sucks it like hangover cures. She's hungover all the time and fucking drinking wine on the couch left and right. So like she's not going to be a great influence. So I feel like someone like you were I need to like I was working like intervene and help Cassie out like liquor. All right, you need a boss giant bong Ripp. You need like a bacon egg and cheese. No, she needs like a weed pain. She's way to offer handle. She's like small to start out with like a weekend. Yeah. Bacon egg. And cheese,

1:41:53 everything bagel with some avocado Bloody Mary. She needs to shower but not least aggressively not a for am shower. Where she's scrubbing, her. Bobbe robbed like a nice shower bath. Maybe it's a bath or shower is a lot of work with. Yeah, maybe listen to some Labyrinth some so relaxing. Yeah. I think she could do that. Like a face mask, you know, I'm envisioning a lot for her, but Vicodin let's tourism. Just hope that Kathy gets I hope

1:42:23 she's, I just wanted to do better. I'm going to cheer us to now, I'm gonna cheers to cows, continued journey to disowning the entire Jacobs family. And if you're gonna, it's also like we can be commuted. But I'll also choose accounting like super vulnerable. And like, literally saying, like, I feel like, I can't emotionally connect to any of you and that's hard to say sometimes. No, I mean, it, he disowned his entire family for a valid reason, and it works and makes sense, and I don't blame them. Fuck that, uh, drop work. Works.

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