S2 E7- It’s Showtime Bitches!!!

00:34 Whoo. All right, for hims. I need a 20. I don't know. Any of the words. Jacobs is a loser. Ethan is a hero. All right. What about last week, we stand. Working at least an a short King. I don't think he's not

01:04 short though. Like, honestly, he's not on stage. She looks tall as fuck. No, we looked it up. He's like, 57. I think Awesomenauts like a shame. I don't want to be down on them. No, he's a hero way but he's a, he's a hero. He's a medium height hero. Okay. No, we need to pop some champagne and pour one out for Lexi Howard. Ladies and gentlemen, and absolutely. Okay, go. Oh,

01:34 fuck. That was loud. Whoo. All right, listen to that. Poor, listen to that champagne for red curtain, raiser. So yeah. Our Instagram, we posted a new cocktail, we made tonight and honor of Lexi's play. We finally upped our game and sort some Cooks. We realize it's really fucking stupid that we never made like cocktail recipes per episode. We're so dumb. We're not doing themed cocktails. We were not too.

02:04 Well, thank god season 3's renewed because we can do that, we can do it. Then. I'm a hesitant to even say we're good at drinking because our recipes may be hit or miss drinking. We're great at drinking. I mean, good at making drinks. Yes. Okay, so we're great at drinking. We're also good at making drinks. We're just on a budget, so our drink recipes. Maybe yeah. A little rough of moderate quality, but it's not because of a lack of taste, just resources, know, and anything with Cooks is great. But let's Cheers to the play to our life.

02:35 Our life by Lexi Howard. Also honestly like cheers to mod Apatow. She's fucking killed a lot of episode like, absolutely just like blew me away. Like I knew she could act already obviously like but wow, she just like really did such a good job. Yeah. Fantastic. So cute. It's another super super solid episode, but she's so heartwarming to watch on screen. To like, you're just rooting for her so hard in this episode.

03:05 Yeah, I like her a lot. She's a very, very likable. This was a real, like Revenge of the Nerds episode for her. Yeah, for yeah, and it did you feel like you're in a high school? Like student. Were you like feeling yourself? A real English? My high school was like this. No, but I mean like, we feeling like, like when she was talking about high school and stuff and like, one day, I'm going to be like the best like everyone else is gonna suck at the refilling. Your inner High School moments. I never liked necessarily like Like felt like I wanted that but I did like relate to her and

03:35 like other ways is being like, you know, just always like on the like periphery. Yeah. No, you're not really like that. But I was like thinking of you because even if you're not actually like manifesting that or saying that out loud, I could see you being like, God. I'm so over this like one day. I'm just going to be so much cooler than all these other people. Yeah, and high school was a lot of like just sitting on the edge, like watching everyone and like hating them and in my head like dreaming of like what she does. Just dreaming of a better future. Everyone like aggressively

04:05 and look at you. Now living in New York City with a fat. Tabby cat named meatball with a podcast about HBO's. Euphoria. Look at you. Go, Alex, looking, you got your just like that little like see how we're living the dream? Alex Howard? Meatball. There was a review recently where someone recommended that I be replaced joined by a third co-host. And I can say this one, which I mean Paige and I are engaged, so I'm not going fucking

04:35 anywhere. However, we've really taken that suggestion to heart and we're going to be welcoming meatball on, as an official. He's pretty quiet, but every once in a while, he's sitting on the bed with us while we were record and meatball. He'll-he'll chime in if he has any thoughts. Yeah. So now they're officially Three hosts of that's and also a fucked-up person that wrote that review. How dare you how dare you try and remove Al? It's the only other hose if you were removed, it's just me,

05:06 like, they wanted me replaced with someone else. Oh, well, fuck about with who like honestly. Fuck off. Well, you know what? I feel like this episode is going to be, especially long. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is just so much fucking shit to unpack. Like, not like I'm packed, but just so many great things about this episode and overall season 2 has just absolutely Lutely blown season one out of the water. Like it's like a it's a completely

05:36 different hands now show. Don't you agree? Like the quality is just out the fucking roof the door season to this season. One for me is like a 6 like it's interesting and it was interesting to discuss and like dissecting a podcast format. But I never like really like loved it or even liked it that much It season to I'm like hooked on like this is like an amazing show that I'd be watching no matter what and yeah. Huge fan of also, I feel like it's fantastic. But I really mean this. I feel

06:06 like Euphoria should be, is more eligible for an Oscar than miss the movies, nominated for Oscars, this year. This year fucking suck. They really do for so many years. That's not a surprise. I really think Euphoria has a. I mean, actually, I'll say I think they have it in the bag. I feel like they are going to win like every at me, like, how could they not fucking shows better? Like, like, literally nothing. I mean, this is a good time for TV. There's a lot of good shows but I don't think anything has been better this year than you for it. No.

06:36 No, so that means here we come. Yeah. Well the theater and it's double. Alex is this title? Have any meeting? Yes, or is it just literally like the plan and I saw a lot of doubles I wasn't like that drunk. Like there were a lot of doubles based on it was about Tipsy. I don't think that's that surface level. So based on my incredibly detailed Wikipedia. Research it. Say the name of a collection of essays by a French

07:07 poet named Anton in our twat. Wow, Alex Gray, pronunciation pronunciation. Oh, wow, you did your best applaud. Anyways, he wrote a collection of essays about the theater and the general, the general conceived of his work, was that people need to think? The theater as a holistic sensual experience and

07:37 need to appreciate the Primacy of the experience and everything surrounding it as opposed to more of a formal like theatrical form. Interesting. So he was, you know, about the he was about the totality of the experience, over following the established Norms of the theater. I guess got it, which Lexi? Absolutely. Indeed, according to Wikipedia, he was about the urgency of expression over the complacency

08:07 on the part of the audience. So in other words, he was all for Ethan, jizzing all over the crowd. He attacked what he believed to be an elite ISM of the irrelevant outdated. Literary. / theatrical Cannon. Did you hear me? Yeah. Yes. Well, you didn't comment. You just kept reading and I'm like, hello. Did you hear? I just said, what are you be team events? Exactly a great example, a big dick and balls on stage. Like it sounds like this guy would have been about Yes, exactly. I mean, I think that that was what it was. This was a display with a ground of Body

08:37 Experience. Sure, he would have. I'm sure old Anthony and would have loved this play. Antonio Antonin. Okay, Anthony. Oh, yeah. He probably would have loved this shit. Wow, the theater and it's double. I mean, it also has to be about like, all the devil's that right there. So, many, I was getting confused. Like, I don't think it's actually a reference. I wasn't actually get confused, but I guess, That is it. That's an additional like reference I suppose. Yeah, like has to be works on that level as

09:07 well like. Yeah, I mean everyone there's a it's an episode of doppelgangers. Yeah, which is great. I like to Hell after the one you watch the behind the scenes, little clip, you know, an HBO, how they were talking about the cast was like, super stoked to watch like their doppelgangers. That's cute. Because I would be really weird. You see? Like someone dressed exactly like you from season 1 like playing your part. Yeah, and as we predicted, Ethan is portraying made. No and everyone else and everyone in the play as well as like Sue's

09:37 and a photographer and so many other people. Yeah, he was amazing. I love the beginning of the episode how they did the little like over to torture. So classy it was really pretty. It was nice. But yeah. Overall just like wow Lexi was typing away. She was missing like parties and like, you know, she wasn't really Hanging at the birthday party. She missed out on that, but she was right in this play and Boyd and her hard work,

10:07 pay off. It's certain honey. Ted. I'm like, was a Smash Hit. Were you laughing at that tweet? I showed you earlier. It was like you, for you really be lying about the Arts and their budget, like, which is accurate, because this play was like, absolutely incredible. Yes, was a hell of a production. It was so good. Uh, but I think that, that's kind of, like, one of the things that's made this season great is that, I mean, that was Is present in season one that they would kind of like go off on these leg. Fantastical tangent? Yeah. Season two is like really

10:37 leaned into that hardcore and I think it's really worked in their favor. It's just given them so much opportunity to play with, like, the style and structure of everything. Yep, and it just feels like it's like constantly like it's just like so fun to watch because it's constantly like evolving and maturing in a way. But like yeah, no episode is like any other episode. No, it's so well done. Like the lighting. Ting, just everything. Every shot is like a piece of art, it's crazy. Like, the whole time. I was watching this episode.

11:08 I was thinking like, God to have, like the just, the mind of, like, Marcel and Sam and to plan all these shots. I mean, yeah, I think they did especially, well, in this episode with the way they were constantly shifting between the play. Yeah, and like, memories and doing like this, seamless shifts. So hard to Leo, adjective Lee. Yeah. Such like fun, interesting ways and it just like flow very, well. It never was like clunky or like weird. No, never abrupt

11:38 at all like floats. So, so, well. And there were times where literally, like, when I was joking earlier, like, obviously I wasn't seeing double but like it was done so well in that like one minute it's you know, Cassie the next minute. It's Cassie's doppelganger, but you don't even know because it just like flows so well, but this whole episode was just beautiful. I really liked seeing like the moms and the funeral scene were like there at the house. House, like, I thought that was interesting because, like, there's just so many different layers of euphoria that you like forget about,

12:08 even like something as small as like Leslie and Sue's being in the same exact position, like single moms unexpectedly. It was just like little moments like that. That's where like, the the Euphoria nerd in me. Like, my heart, just like, oh, like I just love it because I don't know. I just love all the connections. The real Lake Euphoria nerd moments here. A locking between like the Lexi Andrew. Yes. Because you get a lick it like this middle period, where there still like best friends and are like

12:38 hanging out in very close before. Like they've kind of drifted apart about, but it's after the death of Bruce father when she's like getting the drugs and stuff. That was an interesting, look into like that period of their relationship that we really haven't seen before. Never seemed like and season one year. Almost like, how are these two even best friends? Like, how are they ever met? Yeah. Yeah, like, you're almost like, I get it. It more like they must have just been like childhood are like kids and so it was interesting to see them a little older. Yeah, and I love

13:08 the funeral scene when she is in her bedroom reading her that poem. I just thought that scene was so sweet. Like so like pure for Euphoria like just a little moment of like wholesomeness, like but also like very like dark and realistic that it ends with Lexi being. Like I realized I would never be able to comfort her as much as drugs. And yeah, well to like recognized for shot about of young age. Is like crazy. But like, sometimes you just know that stuff. You're just like, damn. Like yeah, like, I'm not going to help out here. Yeah,

13:38 but also also shows, how mature Lexi was from such a young age, and like we've always said like such an observer but also like so far ahead of all the other characters in the show, just in terms of like, Not only maturity but I liked how in this episode. We really get to see like her side of the story. Like what she was experiencing while all these other characters were kind of like living there high school life. Lexi was really going through some tough shit and you don't get to see that in season one at all. Like if

14:08 anything you kind of don't even think about it. I mean, you and I were because we're like nerds for Lexi like we love mod, but just generally she's very much like a background character in season one. I would say. Yeah. And I think one of the best like Things about this episode. Kind of on that same page. Is that it challenges everything you already thought you knew about Cassie and then she turned into a real villain this season. The last season, we never really viewed her that way and not to say that she's a villain in light of this episode, but every like she's completely

14:38 recontextualized. Yes. This is someone that was completely like oblivious to what was going on around her. Someone that like was unaware of what her sister was going through and like, kind of uncaring. Yeah, which is hard. The only thing It's hard about that though. Is I will say like having sisters myself. I do feel like though. This is very common with older sister versus younger sister, which is in all fairness. Cassie looks up to Lexi whether or not. She shows it. It's clear that she's always had in her head that Lexi

15:08 has it together. She's fine older sister cause he's older. Cassie's older. Yeah. Are you sure? Yeah, Scott and this episode Kathy hits puberty first and Lexi's like I'm was counting the days. And 30 days until like I was there like, oh, wow, Cassie's the younger sister. Okay. I'm having a total like moment. God. I hate to make fun of me. No One's Gonna slam me. We went to go and see someone that's fine. Yes, he's annoying. Yes, and I was like, no.

15:39 I know, he's like the younger sis, but in all fairness, the reason I think that is because Lexie. So fucking on top of her shit that I assume sheets understand. She takes quite literally like figuratively, she takes the older sister who lives off old. She gives off the Just sibling, Vibe not just because of her maturity. Just their relationship is very much. How I see me and my sisters, like I'm the oldest of both my sisters. And I what I was going to say is a lot of times your younger siblings without realizing it, but can become selfish because they think

16:09 that you just have it all together. Everything's fine. But I guess that's not the scenario because like you said, I was wrong there that got their ages off even though we just watched with a about is the same though. The one is more put together and they yeah. All floppy. Yeah, so she doesn't really like, you know, dig too deep into her sister's life because she just thinks she's got it all together, a little just cassino. Like Lexi's been going through. It just the same if anything, like same, if not more. Yeah, and she doesn't have the privilege of acting like everything's

16:39 okay and having everyone dote on her and you know, yeah, I kind of like this like Rosie worldview and well and she jokes right? Like the whole sitcom me parts of this are like her joking about physical appearance. It's like Cassie always had it all like she hit puberty. She has like she's got like the quote unquote knockers. Like she's got all the guys going after her unquote. Well on the plane. Yeah, they laugh about it. But like, you know what? I mean, like she had it all going on and Lexie, like bloomed later in life.

17:10 Like she had her braces. It was kind of just like kicking it getting mustaches drawn on her by ruin. Let's go. I was pretty funny. It was a hey, we got to see the inspiration for the Bob Ross costume. We to, I love Of our so like creative and Q comes from that moment. I don't know. I really loved that passed out full circle. So funny that like Fez was like in her life before this. Like I know kind of like get the impression. They just like really like mad at the party. You didn't really like understand

17:40 that. Yeah, you really like grasp that they hit like known each other like a little bit before I think they all have, you know, I think that's what the season is kind of showing us is that they all like have kind of intertwined at some point. I've had side relationships season one just didn't like have to Showcase all that. Which is fine. Like, that's just life. But I also loved, I'm kind of like, skipping ahead. But I did love when they showed Lexi Andrew. Like, when should they were trying? We, the first or Lexi was trying weed. The first time, I think a lot of people

18:10 not you and I particularly, but a lot of my friends can like, relate to this where we just not for everybody. Like, some people just like it's such a Vibe. It's peaceful. It can be an escape. It can be a hot. Quite literally a high for others. It's like paranoia anxiety. Like it's just not a good vibe. You just need to try a different strain, bro. Is that what people say? That's like the classic joke? Really? Anyone that any Stoner? That hears that someone doesn't like weed is always like no, bro. You just need to try it like a different

18:40 strain. Like you were just smoking like the wrong stuff. Like you should just try Indica instead of sativa. It's like know. Some people just don't fight about it. That's fine. Like it's not for everybody and also I also think If I were to argue my side of weed, my side is that sometimes you just have to be in another place in your life. Meaning like feel a lot of anxiety. It might not be the time for weed, or it might be the perfect time for it. Really? Just depends. Yeah, or maybe like I mean, sometimes you just need to have like an appetite for exploration and like trying things multiple times

19:11 and like playing with like your environmental factors to see total like works. But like, yeah, of course, it just might not be for everybody and like, whatever. I just like to put, they like, put a highlight on that, though, because I think a lot of time Just the, the ideas around weed or like everyone should like it. It's like this vibey things. So I thought it was interesting that they are. She probably wasn't a smoking with us in the last episode. Yeah. Oh, you're right. So stand by me. See and I thought she was getting high but she probably was not. Yeah, I don't know. Also, I think

19:41 she know she talked about how she really didn't like it. I think it feels very similar. You probably feels very personal to are in light of the play. Yeah, actually, it's like they open it with the same line from Stand By Me about how like, oh, they did. I did. Catch that the episode early in the episode. They say, like the classic line, which is like when you're like 11 or whatever, like you think your friends, your best friends are going to be like your friends for like your entire God. I have whatever. I forget the exact. Yeah, it's okay. Like, that's the famous. I'll seriously. Can you do

20:11 her homework and do the lines of every part of euphoria. Please be prepared. I love when Cassie comes down as an Joel. Not like circle thing. Yeah, that's pretty funny. It's so funny. Lexi did such a good job on this play. Like it just so perfectly portrays every character in their flaws. And that's a big reason why I like season two because season two's very much like the like the suffering and like lampooning

20:41 of the characters that are more like glamorized or idolized and season one. Yes. Agreed, but also can we just like take a moment to so just love Miss Howard's reactions to everything. This play. Yeah, I think the the reactions of the different characters are very interesting. They are but Miss Howard, should have had one in a bag at the show that would admit it. Yeah, that would have been true to character it really what of yeah, I love the cheese like hype on it. I also really liked the I think

21:11 it speaks a lot to Rue and Lexi's friendship that Roux immediately gets it. Like, yeah, there's no I mean the whole play opens with like the death of her father and like a very like person. Intimate moment and she's never liked put off the whole time. Reserve very like into it and like she's files through the whole weight. The third co-host, hustling, to say about that. What are your thoughts on you? Saw? What are you saying about Roux? What do you think? Yes, tell me more. Oh, all right, because this is exited, the only tribes.

21:42 There's a big impact. He said, I love roo. Okay, make him sound like a dummy. Well, anyways, yes, I agree with you. I thought it was super sweet. Sweet. And like, so wholesome. That Rouge the whole time. Had like a little smile on her face. Like she really, it was very heartfelt. Like I think she, I think if anything it was showing that once again, their friendship that we didn't know about meeting, I think, deep down, she was like rooting for Lexi. Like, in other words, may be a part of her too. I don't know if you were thinking this, I was

22:12 like, I bet, you know, sometimes you have that friendship in your life that you just like adore and love but you kind of take it for granted like you don't really like see it for what it Is, and then sometimes it takes a moment. Something happens in your life where you're like, fuck this person is like, so important to me, like, I need to be better about showing it. I feel like that's what route was feeling. I've gone through that myself or like nothing's ever like gone wrong with you and a friend, but you just might have that moment where you're like, fuck, I need to be better. Like, this is like someone that like is my ride

22:42 or die. Like, would be there for me through anything and like, Lex, he's kind of showing that on stage. Yeah. I think it also just like kind of speaks to the fact that like, really, really She gets her Lycra understands where she's coming from, and, like, Lexie was so worried about everyone like misinterpreting her intentions throughout all of this. And I think Rue immediately like grasps her intentions, and that they're not bad and like room is totally cool with it. Where is everyone else is like wandering? And like, also I think really, like really doesn't have much of

23:12 an ego obviously, given what she's been through. So she yeah, I really worried about how she comes off on stage as well, which probably helps well, also, they even talk about it when they're on the roof of them. The Gas station, which is super super cute like little memory, but rear says like my dad taught me like I forget the exact quote so I'm going to butcher it. But you know, where she was like, my dad says, I've never want to be part of a club that would accept me as a member. Yeah, because then I wouldn't be like cool. So I feel like that's also like Rouge Vibe while watching the play like she doesn't give a fuck that it's like personal

23:42 and stuff like, right. Right. But yeah, so love that. I also kind of love the little Arun Jewels exchanges. I thought those were kind of sweet to because they weren't like Angry or anything, but it was kind of like Rue was definitely looking at jewels to get like hey you seeing this, do you feel bad for me? Well, I like like come on, like cut me some slack. Like, you know, I don't know. I kind of thought about it more like a lot of like what was being said on stage between

24:12 Lexi and roo roo was feeling and like in real life in the moment towards Jewels. Like there was a lot of talk about like them being like best friends and having these like, These friendly intense, like, lifelong friend, relationships. Yeah, Roo is looking at Jewels during a lot of that. So I think a lot of like, whoa, in the past applied to Lexi Andrew, maybe as they're growing older is now applying more to to ruin Jules potentially interesting. And that they were kind of like, it seems like most of the times when they showed that it was because

24:43 there was some mention of like something deep friendship and they were like, I felt like they were like taking what was being on stage and applying it to themselves and that Okay be honest. What were your thoughts on the scene though? We're rude talks about jewels in the bathroom and is like I don't know. I used to think like she was my one and only we were like this forever deal and now like I'm not thinking that anymore that really like stab me in the heart because I thought during the play, I thought whose reaction to the play was kind of in

25:13 relation to how she was feeling about jewels. Like you were just saying but in the bathroom, she was kind of like, I don't know anymore. That makes me so sad. I don't know. I think it's Like too early to say because realistically Jules didn't really do anything Rue is just clearly still feeling better about the intervention because she I mean she even called me like the bullshit intervention and stuff. So she's obviously in a place where she's very like bitter about the intervention still. So I think it makes sense that she's like talking about jewels and that way. But I don't think that that's like true, like Jules

25:43 didn't actually like betray her, do anything? Like so fucked up. So I don't know that the other guy really likes to hold over like so Areas, or deep. I think it's more like in the moment. Well, let's talk about the cutest part, which is also pheasant like see with their little Kitchen products team using like roller scale. Am her. What she has? A lot of amazing lamp with that roller skate. It's so cool. Oh, I didn't even catch that know. I was going to say the cuteness of the phone conversations

26:13 between her in Fez. That's so like yes, very cute. So intimate and sweet and like Innocent, but I like how also mod in the like after the A show recap was like Fez and I have like a really chill relationship outside of this. It was Angus and I do. Yeah, so it was really easy to follow. I know, they're so great. But I just liked that they have such good chemistry and she's, right. She's like, even in real life were like, so different. But we're also so much the same. So

26:43 it's like the same and Euphoria. Yeah. It was really cute. I mean, she's just really using like she's really using fezzes like a Board for her like classic, like artistic concerns, like, every artist has the, like questions about, are they good enough? Like how will people react? Like will is this gonna piss people off? Am I being true to myself? Like, you know, yeah, all the classic questions and Fez is kind of acting as her like sounding board as she like worries about all these things and like

27:14 figures out the final form their play is going to take and what to include and not include and but also he's like, can you repeat that question again? He's like, hi. He's like sorry. Can you say that again? But he's so sweet. That's good because I like causes her like forces her to like really like reconsider. What the actual question is and what she's like truly concerned about in those moments and like make the tough decisions about what she's gonna do with her project for sure. I also, I mean, I just

27:44 absolutely died when Fez was getting ready for the play, which, of course, we're all like, super scary. We have no idea what's to come, but I literally, I literally like squealed. Therefore. I squealed when he said dude, I think what do you say is like, I think I like handsome or like he said something. He was so cute that he looked handsome and he was like, do you think other people will think? Oh my God, I sigh literally like squealed and made me so like Overjoyed but like so. Yeah. I really,

28:14 really hope that they does the right thing comes out on the right end of this because they've taken such good care of her and she clearly feels bad about the whole she does because she's good. Close with them or Netflix and chilling every day. Don't bother. I don't know. I'm worried though, because she had her chance in the room with us. And I know she didn't do it. So I'm like I'll predict my prediction is she won't save them but she won't like out them either adding. She's gonna play the classic like middleman like pretend like she's kind of just you know, let's not pretend but just be aloof and be like fuck, you know,

28:44 I'm just kind of in the middle shelf. Maybe she'll flip on cost. Maybe she'll be the hero and she posted a post that I put the hero and heroine. I feel like maybe she's the hero and season finale. Okay. Okay. It was like a fashion post that I was like, okay. I was thinking that's why I thought this episode. They might reveal that she like saves them because I was like, why would she say that? You know, I don't know. We'll see. I don't know. I also definitely want to point out the scene with Lexi and Cassie and their

29:14 dad. I feel like thought was so perfectly done like props to Sam for writing that part in because and like we said earlier, it's so like crazy that in season one. That seems so innocent you watch that. And you think they had a great day of ice cream with her dad? And then everything goes awry like a week later. But really it was already so fucked but we only got Cassie's perspective which was super innocent and like Daddy's everything like totally.

29:44 So sad, daddy issues which makes sense because she's like on display in this episode are like the full like extent of her daddy. Is it me? Or she's literally, like, control my life. Tell me what to eat. Tell me how to speak. Like, no, it's so so cringy. It's crunchy, but it's also, it's sad, but it's sad. I was gonna say, I still have a ton of empathy for Cassie. Like, I will make that very clear. I will say it on the stand right now. Before fucking listeners. Come

30:14 for my throat. I'm not, I don't hate cause I'm still like I'm still here for Cassie. Like I'm still rooting for her, but when I say I'm rooting for it, Doesn't mean I condone what she's doing. She's a piece of shit right now. She's doing like so much harm. Just so many people around are not just Maddie like literally everyone. And then this episode has like been dissed by Cassie in some shape or form. So I'm not here for her. But I do absolutely like empathize with her situation. It's a very clear, why? She's

30:44 where she is right now, could not be more obvious and it is sad and it's going to take. I thought if anything I thought in this Though I thought oh, the play is really going to like wake her up, but she's not, she's not woke. She is looking like a real clown. There were some, she was happy that the Joker in the mirror. She was like smiling and then like crying. I was like, which by the way, amazing acting like so well done, but also like she is losing her. She just continually loses her goddamn

31:15 mind. If you, like, horror movie moments throughout this episode, that being one of them neat, like Looking at himself in the mirror, but it's like the back. It's like he's like staring at his own back. Yeah, that was creepy. I'm super creepy. And then I'll stare and David Lynch, easy to me to like a some parts of it. I was all like horse shit and then I'll say like Cassie at the end like that was total horror show. She was like breathing through the window. Yeah. Yeah. The door window. Yeah. I mean we thought she was gonna we thought Maddie was gonna kill

31:45 her. I think Cassie's gonna kill fucking it and she's amazing girl like school shooter on every girl. She really is like she's really lost. And, like I said, I thought the play, if anything would kind of, I don't know. It makes me sad though because she got up and left, right? So it shows that she does have a heart. It's just really berries and she's pissed. It doesn't know. Yeah, I mean, she's no, but I think she went into the bathroom crying, but then the Mana kicked in. It's like they're she does. It's like

32:15 deep deep down. It's so far down though. Now dude, she's so lost. Yeah. I mean, I don't think she's like pure evil like Mater anything. No. No. The she's far past the point of, like, being resurrected the sea. Like, we just have to accept the Cassie's. Not like, she's not going to have this big comeback this season. She's not even gonna come close. If anything she's gonna be like the person that we hate them, is obviously gonna blow shit up next. Well, especially when Maddie's once again being the knocking. What is it? The knocking extreme extremists

32:45 on the door again, I was thinking about whole time. Wow, we still, we still Gaining nothing from Cassie and terms of like remorse. Like we've we're getting nothing. She could have taken that moment because Maddie said some things that were really look at their friendship. It's also we're really like I said, Maddie is evolving. I'm like so much because even in that moment, Maddie took the mature route. She was like this is not about me. This is about our fucking friendship. Like I would have never done

33:15 this to you. Yeah. I also like that they showed. They like once again showed that Maddie also. Is a character that's gone through a lot meaning like they're like she had to live at Kathy's house for a month because her parents were fighting and had like a horrible fall out member. They show in season one. Her dad was a good Debbie. So it's like there's a lot of history there. So this isn't just like, oh, your homie at school. Is this someone that like live with you like was like a sister to you? Like we really like relied on you as family and you did this. So this isn't just like some petty bullshit. This

33:46 is fuckery at its finest. Oh, yeah, cos he's like just bad bad. She's making Maddie looks like This Christ himself because of that length, but it just continues to get worse. The more we see I thought the scene was so beautiful to of Cassie and her dad dancing just all four of them as a family dancing and makes you sad because once again you feel empathy. Yeah. Another role, which is hilarious. Yeah, that was great. But I just

34:16 I liked it because yet again, we just kind of see like how broken a lot of these characters are due to like their families. Situations and even Miss Howard in the audience, like sobbing like it's just sad. First. I'll say, I really like the scene with Lexi on a totally different note. I like the scene with Lexi talking about how evil big Tech is, having worked in tech for like, almost ten years. I'm like, yes, accurately, same. We both are working tag. Yeah. I've waited the major villains. But yeah, there

34:46 it's, she was spot-on off. That's all. Yeah, once again more mature than everyone else sees, the Picture, even though she's the younger sister. Now. I know. Yeah, we're not too far off from Killer Robots. Yeah, and I will just say it. I don't care who comes from my throat for this. I mean, Cassie's wardrobe and hair and everything in this episode. It's just like, girl, you are not pulling off the Maddie look, even a little bit like, Maddie really does like

35:16 own that type of look like she does, right? But for Cassie, it's a no. It's a no for me. Me dog. It's not working. It's just not working angry. Most of the time on Maddie. It's like not my taste, but like, it's not like, it's not generally like heinous or not. While I think she looks Las Vegas, but like, put a good personality and her confidence Kathy, just awful. Also, she gets when needs putting on that necklace. You even said out loud during the episode were laughing. Were like. So she's just going to where Maddy's Tiffany

35:46 necklace. Yeah. She just doesn't care. She's like Neverland Cara like this whole time. Kevin saying he doesn't care about her and I'm like it. Sure enough at the end of this episode. He's just like move out. Okay. So, you know, it was horror from you of all sins. Can you guess what my most horrific scene was? No, I was gonna see if you can guess it. So for me, pure horror was this really well done scene where Nate is making

36:17 out with Cassie who then turns into jewels in the mirror and that's That's creepy. Like that. Look, Jules has on her face. Like it's really like she doesn't look stoked like she looks scared. Yeah. Well, it's like the re-creation of the cow. I know but I'm saying that scene was really like, I have so many thoughts. I feel like we'll get more into that later because we have a change, your mind that was submitted. That kind of goes along with that scene. So I'm gonna hold, but I'm just gonna put it out there. That for me, was the what you were describing

36:47 when you say like horde David Lynch Vibes. Like that was really well done. Like it, wasn't it. Your was creepy. I was like, you know, I hate this. Like, I'm ripping her tights and like, all that. That was like a really well done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So other than that seem being absolutely horrific. I hate the flashes all throughout the episode of Jessica's chair, the show being empty. It just makes me like, heartbreak. I can't like, I don't want to see the season

37:17 finale because I'm so fucking scared. Yeah, right, especially because we know from the previews of the neck. It's episode, the cop stuff on how the cops come. They sure like a fucking SWAT team entering the building and I'm sure it's not just somebody getting arrested. Like, there's probably somebody somebody's gonna get shot. So he's getting shot. And are they dying or not? Well, I think that's where we're at. If no one gets shot. I'll be shocked. Well, that kind of leads us into like the whole Festa ashtray situation.

37:48 And yeah, saying there's not too much to say about this Custer's, a bitch ass. Astra is like, as always always watching. I have to I have to say like huge huge props to the actor that plays ashtray because he really, he really brings like the Menace, like to be a little. Huh, good. Who can intimidate like grown man is like a memorable. I mean that stuff and he like absolutely brings it. Like he is like intimidating.

38:18 Like he's also like a fighter in real life though, like in his real life to have, You seen that on social media? Yeah, it's cute. So maybe he brings some of that like mean face like fighting sit across the fucking table from home, boy and he was interrogating me. Like I was from not gonna be scared like he is like an intimidating dude like so he does a really good job. He's fucking menacing as hell like the grade. He's intimidating and he we were joking that he looks like he's running at Juicy tracksuit though. He's always wearing those little

38:48 tracksuits look like that. Like the Click, you know, yeah. And in fact, but yeah, he's a, yeah, he does a really good job. I mean, he's a killer he fucking killed Mouse. Like he killed a man. He killed a big scary vehicle. The scariest character all of season one scarier than a man Cal mouse was so scary. And this little boy, like, kill him. I know and beat the fuck out of college. He's a baller shit. Like but also can we talk about? So I'm trying to understand. So Custer

39:19 he threw something in the planter. What was that? Just a recording device? Ice castle wire the cops. I know. But was that like a wire? What the fuck was it? I didn't see that, but I believe you. He probably the progenitor of my. He it was a looks like a, it looks like a little like USB anything but it's probably a mic. I'm sure it's a mic. He threw a mic in there because I'm saying looked at it and thought about taking it out or doing something. She didn't. Yeah, that's why I'm I'm like, yeah, I agree. But then I was mags an ashtray gets up and has his knife out. And I was thinking

39:49 thank God. He saw the he drops in there. Did he watch her by? And I was like, damn it? No, he didn't see it. And, you know, he puts his phone on the table. Really deliberate, which is probably like recording or doing something. He's obviously like setting them up with the fucking feds. So, you know, I just I'm heartbroken when fuzz cause like has the Roses she's a real bitch, you know, they took good care of his girl for a month later. They really set her up smoking her out, watching movies and giving her sandwiches and cokes and stuff. Like,

40:20 Welcome Back Him for betraying, he's dead. Dad to me. Absolutely dead to me. Stupid-ass name Koster. Yeah, I'm terrified for the season finale. I also didn't think that we were going to be left hanging this whole to be continued. I thought the season finale was going to be like, plays over. Like, let's move on. Yes, so I'm kind of like, holy shit. We don't even know what's to come this, a real two-parter here. I know which is good. I like that because it's kind of, like, literally similar to the theme that, like, keeping on with like theater. It's like

40:50 intermission. Then we got up. We've got a We definitely have to wait a fucking week. This isn't like me Klaus, isn't like grab your popcorn and some Cooks. It's like, we actually have to wait a fucking week. It's gonna suck. Yeah. So, what else? What's next? I mean, I know we already I'm going back and forth, but that's this whole episode is back and forth, but I forgot to mention. I really this is so random, but I really, really loved Lexie being like hot and wearing that little dress and doing that walking along that revolving like

41:21 and be like, hey boy. Boys. Hey, everyone's like, oh shit. Yeah. Okay Lexi, let's go, man. I really wish I fucked like see ya. It was really cute. I also like that they showed. I like that. They showed Lexi behind the stage being super a grow. And finally, having a voice being like, like theater, was her way of, like, speaking her mind being like, no, fuck you. Like, do what I say, like, the lights better be

41:51 perfect on her plate. Do you like she really just was like the professional fees of awesome grow balls. Look, she's running a whole plane, you know, if you're not like that with a High School play it's going to turn out like shit, you know, you got me. Well, they've got the fucking Stephen or whatever up in the sound booth, like blowing it with the lights. That was really funny. That's like, we're gonna replace you. Yeah, but he's like wait, who and she's like with anyone Savage scene between Leslie? Andrew

42:21 not like I mean, In a good way, meaning, I think she's giving her what she needs to as a mother, which is to a little bit of tough love. Like, even aside from like weather, whatever she's giving to Rue. I think this is her stepping up and, like, basically being like, I'm not going to be a bad mom. Like I, it's so like, it's depressing but she's at the place in her life where she really has her, like, you know, take stock of things and view things in the most like objective, like harsh, like pragmatic way, which is, like, I have two daughters. I can lose both of them or I can lose one

42:51 of them. Like, she's really At that place like she's like military shit. It's like we have to like cut the losses. We have to like lose some then to like save like more man. Like yeah, it also has got to lose. She's got a fucking loser, a to save Gia. Otherwise, she loses them both and I know just a flat-out like, hardcore business decision that you have to make and it fucking sucks. It's tragic. But it's also like the minute. She was like Rue, you know, what you can do, whatever drugs you want. There is a light Andrews eyes, like even though I know she's kind of like she knows her mom's just playing

43:21 her butt. Yeah, but but there definitely is a little light like I can. Like she's not like we said last episode my and maybe I'm wrong doing drugs. I know, but I'm saying, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, but I think this will continue into season 3. She is not anywhere close to wanting to be clean. No, although I think this might help, I think this is a better tactic than she's been doing because I feel like Rue definitely relies ruse, never really

43:51 did. Like, fully Cut Loose. She's always kind of had to push against something to do. Yeah, and I think that that's kind of like invigorated her. Obviously. She really loves doing the drugs. I don't think it's like going to fix everything, but just having the freedom to completely like do drugs and be like, fully destitute really might wake her up to the reality of what that looks like. When no one is like giving a shit and we'll talk about yes. Tina act like we're you know, what's your life like when no one brings you home and gives you like a bed and you're like, really on

44:21 the Streets, like you're really if you are living that life, like you're really gonna be sleeping on the streets. Yeah, I got back because there's always something that brings her home gives her like food and love. And yeah, I'm for also, so petty and so off topic, but what the fuck is Leslie? Eating out of that little tin, can it looks like oatmeal or beans like when she's talking to her. Were you watching that? And it's like, no! I call it was ice. Cream Bush. No, it was

44:52 Soup can assure ice cream. No, 100%, She's eating ice cream. All right. You for Ian's. Come at us. Let us know. What was Bruce. Ma meetings to me. It looks like clam chowder, in a can. And obviously since ice cream machine ice cream. Hey nasty, it looks like tuna and I can. Yeah, I mean, well, I mean natio tuna cans delicious. I also look he loved the moment of Maddie like then portraying Maddie and like Lexi and her kind. Of

45:22 bonding for a minute, not bonding. But like, her kind of telling that her Maddie telling Lexi the cooks is kicking in value. Telling Lexie, like how she goes about confidence, how it's like 90%, like fake pretty much like. Yeah. I mean, she's not wrong again. Like Maddie Maddie does bring the hood wisdom. Sometimes like she's not wrong. I mean you really just like fake it till you make it was like, yeah. They're it's a real thing and doesn't I mean I it's bullshit that like, there's not a that people can't tell the difference the

45:52 More people can tell the difference between fake confidence and real confidence, but most people can't so, you know, you'll get pretty fucking far but I liked how she described that. I just thought that was cute. But she was, she wasn't like harsh about it. Like we said, like I think, I think I thought going into this that she was just going to, like, drop the hammer on everyone and go like so hard. I feel like Lexie did this in such a tactful way. That was like, in ways harsh, but not like, conniving or mean. It was very long honest. Yeah. It was just honest. Yeah, it's being Being

46:22 a real artist. She's showing things how they all were like all, you know, warts and all the ugly side and the good side of. Yeah, and you know, some people Cassie and Nate can't fucking handle like being faced with like the reality of who they are. Whereas I think people like Maddie you can see Eli portrayal like this and see like the truth in it and I don't think she's gonna be like furious at Lexi after this because like, you know, yeah, it doesn't come off looking amazing, but it's a pretty honest portrayal and she doesn't come off. Looking horrible either. Maximus

46:52 one is wearing a wig or do you think that's her real hair? Hmm. I know it's so irrelevant. But oh my God. Her hair. So straight and like scary looking. Yeah, I think Grill her. You think so. It's so flat. I feel like it'd be hard for. It's like weeds are like her face. It's so flat. Yeah, right. Yeah. I just I'm heartbroken over the Cassie and Maddie situation because I do feel like you heartbroken Fizz. You losing sleep over it. I actually am I love their friends. Bishop,

47:23 I know I know I mean you could shit on me. All you want. Alex. You're being such a douche, you're being so condescending right now. Okay, I'm kidding. Bud and Susan one. Like, I don't know. I just love like the carnival, like, how they're like bitch. You're my soul mate. Like we're in this forever like kind of vibe. So yeah, my heart breaks. It's sad and I do feel. Oh, man. Can I tell you? I think a lot of girls Have felt what Madden feels

47:53 on the other side of that door. And this scene, which is like just pure betrayal. Like, if you ever go through this, with anyone in a cheating situation sometimes like what she said. It's the truth. Sometimes it's not even about like the ACT. It's like the emotions behind it, like the history like it's, it was really, it's tough. Like if you've been through anything like that to watch that because you're like, yeah, like that's real. Like I think I felt the most empathy toward Mady I've ever felt in any season in this. Moment because yeah, because she's

48:23 like, you know, I haven't had the best life and like, yeah, Nate was a fuck. But like I liked him. I made a mistake, but why the fuck did you have to go in? And like still the one thing? Like the one. And she's like, it's not even like that. It's more like he was so horrible and fucked up my life so much and now exactly fucking up my life, but we pray or something. Yeah. So my life already. It's like she's over nay. She wouldn't bring up anything about it, being about Luke, then it just shows that she's Turd. And I hope to God

48:54 Maddie just moves on like fully like it seems like she has the. Yeah, I agree but you get nervous right? But I think after the gun situation she's gone. No, I agree. I in season one. I liked Cassie far more and I never really cared much for Maddie and it's very flipped in the season. I'm like, I'm pretty done with Cassie and I think they've evolved Maddie's character and like a nice and believable way to be someone that's more interesting and complex than she was in season one. The grade. But yeah Sydney Sweeney for the Emmy. Doing this

49:24 fucking my Joker scene in the bathroom. I can't get over how creepy it is crazy. And so well, sir was on the plate. We gotta we are fine. I mean cat anythin, you know what I'm saying? That cot. I'm not gonna lie. So I know I don't like to, you know, me. I don't love getting into all the outside gossip outside of euphoria. I think a lot of its just made up and like silly and for press mmm. But I have to say, I feel like cat, it's character overall.

49:54 So boring not interested in her, at all, as a character. And if you think otherwise try men, I could not care less about our character this season, not because of Barbies performance because of her, like lack of even being in the season. A, yeah, and be like, just even her Parts in the season though, that she isn't. I'm not like, I don't care. Like I don't, I'm not interested. Like, she's just being kind of dickish. She's really like kind of trying to be mad. He's like BFF and it's just yeah, I think it's like

50:24 I'm gonna give her so much depth season what I really related to her. Like the self-confidence issues the like overeating when you're like going through all this shit like not loving yourself. I feel like they dropped that flu this season and now she's just kind of like whatever like she just to me is so like background. I think they gave her an anti like character Arc where instead of like developing. She just regressed. She obviously Gather as much screen time as she had and season 1 or as deep of plotlines. I

50:54 don't find it like unrealistic or unbelievable, but I can really, I feel like they really focus on her so much in season one that I thought for sure. There'd be a lot more this season and so I can't help. But like, but this is a thing, people do a tiny bit. Maybe she blew up with Sam it cause like a, okay. I mean even like, you know, changes a bit and then maybe they disagreed with what the characters. I don't know. I'm just Just saying I really mean this and maybe I'm totally wrong. I'm okay. With being wrong. I get

51:24 a vibe that she's not into this season, like even the behind the scenes when she saw him at it. She doesn't seem as excited as she was season 1. She's very like, oh, cat was interesting to play this year. Yeah. I mean I'm really says anything and I'm like, well, I don't disagree. I don't think she's seems into the season. She's obviously been like a little bit sidelined and her she gets like an anti character Arc. And yeah for me the question is like what is all that like due to the story at large? I don't find Like I said, I don't find out about it, but I think she's in a place where

51:55 I find it, like, very believable that she got like involved in this weird fucking leg. Put on the Party City Cat mask like and you know, Pam world are the diaper pay pigs online. She was always kind of cruel and seasonal. I'm like, I mentioned. Yeah, sure was I'm so I think like, if I don't find it, unbelievable, but I can understand why it's frustrating from a Fan's perspective to not get more out of her from this season. And going back to like those ways after like getting what she thought she wanted.

52:25 Yeah, and I guess I can understand why that's frustrating. You know, why it's frustrating that? I don't mean to say this, but it's like what she said about in real life about everyone always talking about her body and like it's never about like her, you know, like her personality, what she brings to the table. It's like always commenting on these outside things. So I don't mean this in a bad way, but I feel like it is rare that like more of her story isn't like address and the season because I felt like it So strong season one. It was putting out a lot of good messages. So I almost feel like they're like, well, that

52:55 was boring, right? Like she doesn't like her body and she's like, has all these problems with her. Wait, till it's not like the silent for a minute. Like it's not that entertaining where I want a girls like could really benefit from like getting a little more from like her story arc this season. That's just my little like pedestal speech. I guess. What I'll say is? I think I think I don't have a problem with the storyline, but I agree that it could have been handled better if It was the character or if this is like the anti character Arc, she's gonna have this season. It should have had more

53:25 screen time and been more fully developed yet washed out. That's all I'm asking just a little more. I don't need the gospel that it was episode on cat. You know, I mean, I just need a little more though. Like it feels it's a little jarring for how much screen time she got in season one to have that like sidelined as much and I think that they could have easily worked in like a little bit more to make it like more more believable. Even if this was the direction they wanted to take her character. Should have been more fully fleshed-out. I'm not out here with a torch picketing so mad about

53:55 it. I'm just saying I understand it. We're like McKay, we joke about it and we think it's funny. But I'm like it makes sense to McKay's out. He's in College, move on, but for cat it doesn't make sense because she was a big part in season one and she's still like very much involved in the friend group with Ethan like so it just feels a little off. So part of me is like fuck what were the rumors true or something? Going on that? We don't know about this made this like a thing. I don't know. I just think it. I It should have been given more screen time. There should have been more just there should have been. Yeah,

54:25 I agree. But that's all I'm saying. I just feel like we've got my three scenes with Kat. I'm like, that's it. And all in, all it really amounts to is like, wow. She missed out because Ethan's vessel, win a Tony. Yes, but not only that, even that I was going to say even that when it comes to her character, why didn't we get any scenes of her reacting to Ethan's performance? Why didn't we get any closer shots of her being like fuck? Or even just like it? Did it or anything? Well, I mean she probably I mean at least the way that they've read her. She's so apathetic about

54:55 Ethan. She doesn't really. She did him. So dirty. What shh, she doesn't care. I guess which is sad. Like okay way they portray this season. She's completely uninterested in lots of continue this conversation on and on and on. I all ended after this but but you just said she's a pathetic blah blah, but then in season one, we see her at the prom, right? She treats him like shit and then she feels horrible. She's at Crying, they have that cute piss. So that's what I mean by. But is she really a pathetic. I feel like they really redeemed

55:25 her. You were like, oh my God, cute. Like she like really does love him. And she feels bad and like and I just feel like they did a journey this season now, it's like, oh, she's just sucks. And she just has a brain disorder and she's in three scenes, and she's cold fish on her bed. It's just like, I don't know. I feel like they didn't really give her any any kind of boost. It's a, it's a flaw in the season. I agree. I love the whole season, but I will say, I saw if Barbie at the rumors are true that she liked was mad. I'm there with her. Yeah, I'll agree with

55:55 that. Well, no beef. So very minor. But Maddie gets a gift from her nanny woman. Whatever. Minka Kelly does that mean she's done. This was just like a summer job. She's done. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. It's like, I don't really care about this. They've done nothing with like this. She was sad to tell the little boy wasn't about Nate. She was, you got that from that, right? She was like, I don't want to tell him, I'm scared. She was armed with a I think

56:25 she's talking about her son. Like I don't want to tell him that. I'm not working here anymore. Like oh no, she's not in town. Oh, why isn't Maddie was leaving like East Highland? Like she's going away. That's why she's telling her. Like, I'm going away, mad. He's got like some plan. Oh, what do you think like that? I mean, unless I do issues like, wildly misinterpreted that scene. She was telling the lady like, hey, I'm like, leaving the East Highland like I'm going away like yeah. I don't know where she's going or why?

56:55 I don't want to assume she's going to college because I can't. Imagine, she got into college, but like she's has some point. Hey, Hey also that fake it till you make it. She easily could have gone. This some great call. I don't know if you can fake the grades, but maybe, you know, yeah, I know. But yeah, I feel you. I just meant, I guess she quit her job because she was talking about saying goodbye to the little boy. I assumed she was dipping because she's like, Fuck mate Jacobs. I'm done with all that. Like she has no family holding her there. Yeah, that's friend, just betrayed her. So,

57:25 I understood that seen as her being like, I have some plan to like dip, like I'm out of like this whole town. I'm classy. Our seniors, correct? I think so. Yeah, that would make sense. Meaning like she has some plants, right? You don't know yet, but she's right. Yeah. Well, I mean, should we just go into the amazing scene? That is Austin? Abrams AKA Ethan just slaying this hero scene. I mean, amazing like obvious iconic. Like absolutely,

57:56 I caught it and to see me squirm and his fucking chair. I'll choose. That cheers and knee feeling like a fucking idiot. Yeah. No, it was amazing. But it's the first time we ever seen Nate embarrassed. We've never seen. We've seen a lot from Nate. We've never seen him embarrassed ver. I mean, very rarely was embarrassed by my daddy at the chili cook-off, even then he was, he was enraged by though. It was one, is he think Ellie? But he was more. I'm like, I don't know, even considered

58:27 the risks of doing this role. He wasn't This on, but I'm like, oh my God, is he? He's fucked. Not actually, I don't think, I think Nate won't do anything but like no, but but I didn't have to think twice about doing that role and being like, Oh my God, is this guy gonna like fucking kill me? I know, but I will say it like, you're right, the chili cook-off, but he wasn't embarrassed. He was enraged. He was like, I'm he choked Maddie over it. He was angry. This is pure like pussy like Behavior. He's in a seat, like,

58:58 squirming like afraid because everyone's laughing. Putting fingers that I was like, yeah, bitch see what it feels like you've been bullying everyone your whole fucking life and not everyone's laughing at you and I'm sorry, but that's just Carm at its finest. I wonder more if he's gonna come for Lexi. No. Empathy. Is your sister. Get the fuck out of my house. Oh good. I would love, you know what? I would actually honestly love Lexie and Nate face off. Lexi would own has asked horse. I mean, he can't touch like, see

59:28 unless he has gone. I mean, that's scary. She's too smart and too. You like normal? She's a sharpener Bob, Ross off it and be like try and fuck me. So while we're on the topic of me, I mean I was we were both planning to save this until change our minds bitch, but I think this is too too. Sorry. If again of a plot point to wait till then for so I guess we should address this now which is the button a Jacob's dream sequence. Mirror sequence situation.

59:58 Yep. You want me to read ýrfan written? Yes. We had a fan right into us with a theory prior to this episode about this, which we will now read. So this fan said, Marshall made specific reference to neighboring, her water in bed. And then telling her he loved her and kissing her but then stated that, while he told Cal he loved him. He never showed him the physical affection by kissing him. I thought that she was hinting at a fear that maybe Cal had been sexually inappropriate towards Nate. And his early childhood

1:00:29 note, Nate's extreme discomfort at this. Over Sation especially around this point. He doesn't like her about the conversation in and of itself for the particular subject matter. So, yeah, I mean, at the time, I read that I thought, you know, we really haven't had any hints prior to the last episode. I suppose about any kind of sexual abuse between Callen. A, obviously, there was a lot of other abuse, so I didn't really think of it that way and I thought, you know, we

1:00:59 what we know about Cal so far doesn't Indicate anything of that nature when he found out the jewels of underage. He was kind of upset about it. He was like actively seeking out underage people at that time. No, so I didn't really see it that way. But obviously, in this episode that does seem to be the case because Nate's, clearly having nightmares about being abused by a cow like very which is like, I mean, it's pretty unambiguous that you don't like or let in there casually its way. Also there's there's more I

1:01:29 didn't even realize this fan. Also said that I thought about a few other things, Nate's, weird, and unhealthy relationship with Cal Marcia saying Kyle didn't want need to get therapy if he had abused him, the miss mean, then this makes sense. Nate's reenactment of putting his fingers and jewels mouth like Cal has done to her in the motel room. Also could have been a reenactment of what Cal had done to him as a child. His obsessiveness with the tapes, make sense. So I'm just going to end it there. Because this man goes on and on

1:01:59 which by the way, thank you. Like the detailed responses are amazing. We really like appreciate the dedication and like honestly, like I will be so transparent outside. Read this. Did we not immediately dismiss us. We're like, that's like not true. Like we like appreciated the dedication but we were like, we don't think this is it. Yeah, like I said, I think all those things are easily explainable based on Cal's just like on the sexual abuse of minors. Plus Nate finding like the tapes early on and having this sexual fixation

1:02:30 on Cal. So I didn't like think too much about it, but it does. I'll be like, yeah, absolutely. They definitely got this right. I think the reference in this episode was completely unambiguous like, yeah, that it is essentially like fact now that Nate was sexually abused by. Do you think it's fact? I feel like it could be a fever, dream, weird thing, or it could be fact. I don't think you throw in something like that, unless it was anyway, Say something. Yeah, unless it's like, you know, this is your agreeing

1:03:00 like, hey, here's your hands like it. What's really going on. I can't imagine a reason why you would throw in that scene and have it, not mean that it would be like, wildly confusing. I also think that like, I guess, if I were to say we've said all along, right? What is going to make us break and feel any sort of empathy for Nate because so far outs and I have felt none. I still feel a little in that. I'm just kidding. I know. But like just I think I'm sure they'll drop some nativist owed next. Well, Mike make our hearts break foreign aid, but I agree, but I'm here, I'm saying you, and I've said

1:03:30 multiple times. There's nothing that's gonna like break us. Like we hate me, he's evil. We've always just said he's inherently evil. But now if this comes out as a real like if it's fact that Cal abused him. I mean we can still have our thoughts. Meaning, we don't, we're not going to like love me and all of a sudden stand him by any means. But you're going to have a different perspective and it's going to be heavy shirts, things, develop. And I mean, it seems like they may be developing in that way. Which would Leave right now is loving calls back story.

1:04:00 I was like here for it. So if that's the case, I'm going to be like fuck. Yeah, I mean we'll see, but that seemed pretty unambiguous to me, which is I mean, I, it's just feels unfortunate because they made me kind of like how this season and now I'm like, well, that's really nice. Like fuck him. Obviously. It doesn't mean Nate's. Not evil, but obviously, you feel like significantly more sympathetic towards him. Of course. This looks like Museum. He's evil. Okay, but it's like any criminal meaning. Literally uni is a criminal. He's held a gun to a girl's

1:04:31 head. So I'm saying like it's like any criminal right? You repeat crimes from your trauma. It doesn't make you look like a good person or mean that like, we should now feel bad for you, but it does give you more insight. That's all it is. Yeah. So wow. Good job fan. Shout out for sending us out. You were you were on the right track and it showed in this episode. They read that 100% right? Respect. Whoop. So I think we just have to End on this epic scene. That is Ethan who deserves an absolute Tony Award

1:05:01 for performing this fucking amazing routine. We've got the dick, the deck of the punching bag in the season-ending dick. A lot of bumping and grinding and sexual tension, spring of water. I like the confetti for the judges to like, whenever like he's like, when he's The balls come out, there's like, just because everywhere just seems hilarious. And I like one likes.

1:05:31 He's backstage, like, literally, like jacking off in the air. Like, yes, it's just. That's just what he's doing. Like the choosing moment like so good. So, fucking funny. And it's also once again done in good taste. My name like a song evil or mean, or like necessarily bullying. But it is calling some, it's calling the bully out. It's like, fuck you. You've literally fucked with everyone in the school. So now guess what? We're going to make fun of you. And I love on Ethan's like what he said. What does he say? Like my pecs. Like, they're so big and strong

1:06:01 right now. I can you help my back like a can reach because the facts are so big. That was so good. And also like, shout out to Austin Abrams. Like I will say, like I underestimated amazing work. I underestimated his acting. I will say like, I'm the first to say he's done a couple films outside of you for you, where I've been like, like, how like fault Under Our Stars type Vibes. Like Like a lot of Netflix scary stories to tell in the dark. I was really keen on minor role but

1:06:31 it. Nobody was good enough. I'm sorry. Yeah, but you know what? I mean, isn't that Lillian? What that Christmas one that you hated Willie and dash or whatever horrible? But I will say like this, this like episode alone. I'm like, wow, awesome Abrams. Brought it like he didn't ask so fantastic, like and I love that it for like not getting a ton of screen time in the previous episodes. He comes out so strong. I'm with this. Yes amazing. I'm glad that he hasn't been like fully Sidelines because this is great. Like

1:07:01 we always like to Ethan and I'm glad that he's still around like dude. Yes things on the show. I also like when Lexi went backstage and was like you ready? And he was like, yeah. Yes. Yes, it's crazy because that's so like nerdy theater kid. Like I knew people in high school literally like that. Like going on to put on a play in front of like 50 parents. It's like calm down but it's also great because I think sense for him because he's got to play some like right about jock, you know. And it's also like, you know what, you know me. I've never hit on theater kids. I mean plainly Jacobs, you better

1:07:32 be like fucking amped up, like some fucking psycho. Absolutely, but as someone who loves like High School Musical and all this shit that you don't like, it is like, I will always say. I always have a soft spot for theater kids because I feel like they are like, The Underdogs are like the Lexi Howard, like they want to like Revenge of the Nerds shit. Yeah, that's what I mean. And they like, put out their passion. They like let out all their like, emotions on the stage like leave. Stitch. So I was very happy for Ethan. Yeah. I mean we stand even what I came out. The whole scene

1:08:02 is Nate walking out and calling it homophobic. That's so nice. Like Cassie stop laughing. It's like we're going to say that everyone's laughing at Soma phobic. That is such a funny one liner coming from Nate Lee. I mean, first of all, it's a hilarious one-liner at all because of what is like more like pro-gay like a giant, like big giant like musical number two, like I need a A Hero full of like, oiled up Bobs and like dicks and stuff like this is like, this is like what

1:08:32 he said that though. Obviously, you realize, he's so like, that's something the droplets a closeted. We always say, like not of course, we don't even know like an honestly, Nate might not be gay. But that is like the comment of someone who would be closeted. Like it's just so I knew guys, I thought there were jobs that n that now our game like open and cool about it. But in high school, they felt so insecure that they like make fun of it. I felt like that in that moment where he was just like I was laughing like that's so homophobic. It's like me. You missed everything like this is what gave you a love. This shit.

1:09:03 The Stereotype is like a vehicle fucking love theater. I know. Stuff like that. Just theater really dancing. Like you said, like oiled bodies like grinding and like having fun and like jizzing everywhere. Like this is great. This is like a gay man's dream. Yeah, right islamophobic. Yeah. Working like this is like a celebration. Yeah. On stage at its finest. Yeah, it's just like well, they put that in there because that's a good jock response. Something. It's like, instead of addressing like, oh, I'm mad because this is about me. They have to put it on, like, something else trying to be like righteous. Yes. It's

1:09:33 like, dude, you're just mad because you're like, you literally homoerotic. Okay, yes. Football and your life and your locker room, shit. And all your like, masculine should obviously Seeley home or odd, and honestly me like, you're hot, like if you're gay, like, please come out, because like, he's obviously like this dad. He's like, everything. He's like, right now. I know I shouldn't like Eric about that, like I'm not, I'm not. But I'm also, like, kind of am because I'm like, if you're a gay like fuck. Yeah, you're hot

1:10:03 like, you get so many dudes. I mean, it would get a lot of dudes, but he's not bad. Yeah. It's personality sucks to always hot, but his personality named Jacob. He's but, I mean, he has good taste in women. Are you kidding me? Maddie and Cassie? Whoo fire? What about Jules? And oh, Oh, are you kidding me? Susan's the top. You see the top of the pyramid. Yeah. Wow, what an episode

1:10:33 epic and then we end on Kathy heavily breathing through the door. Fogging up the glass hot breath looking like an absolute psychopath engines in her eyes, which is funny because it in our heart, it's so stupid. And I hope commit. What is it called? When you kill yourself knowing what like that, you know, it's like in fantasize like When your child like Matt resides, like killing your mom, what's it called? When you kill yourself playing, when you kill yourself against murder, you know what I mean?

1:11:03 I actually don't cific for killing you and whatever. Think about it. I'll expand on that thought. Well, she's about to kill her sibling. I know I was gonna say maybe next episode. Do you think we're going to get Alexa, Cassie throw down? Or is it going to be more Maddie Cassie type 5? And they did show a little sneak peek of like Cassie and Maddie going out onstage. Oh, no, I think it's going to be more. I think it's going to be like see Cassie. Oh, really? They should not even Cassie fighting. One stage though. Did you see that gasps? He's seconds away from walking on stage and confronting Lexi. I think that's like

1:11:33 a minute and if Maddie's involve it's because she's trying to, like protect Lexi if anything. Okay, any other predictions. I feel like we have to say predictions because it feels so crazy. But oh, my goodness. Next week is the season finale. That's crazy. We've waited to like, literally two years for this and we're already here and it just Went by like in a snap and I'm I'm mind blown. I mind blown. I can't even speak. I'm so mind

1:12:04 blown. I'm so mind-blowing. I literally hate ways. You sound like Kathy predictions. I have none. Who the fuck knows this whole Seasons been like anything goes, I know. Orion, generals kind of anything-goes somebody's gonna get shot at phases house. I guess. That's what's gonna be Fusco. I don't know what that was just going to or it's going to be ashtray.

1:12:34 And like I said, I put out there that I think it's gonna be a sure. And then Fez will have to deal with like him dying. And here's I think it's if Fez if it's Affairs gets shot. He lives. If ashtray gets shot. He dies. That's a great. Look, great. All right, I'll grab Em Up and either way, it's gonna suck in visa and I guess according to you, Maddie's pack your bags and leaving. So maybe she won't even be in season 3. She's like five inches. I have a better place. Yeah, I really wondered that. I mean obviously like a lot of it's very common and shows that like right before the finale

1:13:04 a character's going to dip and then something happens. Yeah back in but I don't know, maybe not, maybe Maddie's like I'm on the bigger better. Things like see if it shows like she kind of got like the maturity Arc this season where she's like, great is not for me. Yeah, turn betrayed me this lady. I look up to revealed that she's really not that great. Like maybe it's time for her to, like, dip her boyfriend's. A fucking psycho. I will say, too. It wouldn't not make sense. A lot of like fans have been really pissed that like Jewels hasn't been as much of a, like a

1:13:35 huge character and all this, I would disagree. I think everything's been done so well and so naturally that if anything, I'm left in this season finale going. Oh, wow. I thought this whole season was going to be yet again, like a rune Jewels centered show. I kind of like that. It wasn't. And that like, it really, like explored everything. I It almost would have been like what you said predictable, meaning, like every show whenever there's a couple that like, we all stay on, they tend to just

1:14:05 hone in on that and everyone else gets like pushed to the side. Yeah. I kind of like that. We explored everything. So, I will say moving into season three. I kind of like that. We're going into the finale, not knowing, really anything about Rune Jules. We don't know where they're at. We don't know whether they're going many. We're not in a place right now. We're not in, like a strong place where I can even predict where they're growing. I'm like, I don't fucking know. No, well one thing season. Well season 1 did very very well with set up. A lot of interesting characters. A big cast of super interesting characters and they made

1:14:35 you like they gave you enough enough depth on these characters to make you care about them. And then season 2 has said like here is like what happens with some of these characters? Yes, and that leaves a lot of like interesting room for what happens in season 3 and Beyond, so I don't have a problem with it because they're like a deep background and they've kept the like Storylines going significantly enough. So even like stuff like the cathing. It's like even though she got super sideline this year. Maybe next maybe season 3. They go hard. Yeah.

1:15:06 I don't know. But that is one thing that I will credit season 1 with doing very very well was introducing like a big cast of characters and really giving you enough to care about all of them a lot, which is hard to do really hard. And I will say, I don't know. Like I said, I don't know. I don't know if the finale will tell us where room Jewels are at but I think like what you just said about, Season one. I think they also did a good job though of really convincing you that they have like a very deep connection and love that like really is just different. And yeah, I think I

1:15:37 pray and hope that they will like be together forever because we all want that, right? Like, I don't think anyone. I don't think there's one person in the world. It doesn't want them together. There's people that hate Jules. There's people at a true. Well, okay. Well, they can fuck off because I'm sorry. I love them. Yeah. All right. Well, hoof others. Sections. The only other thing I'll say is I really as far as I grew and like her drug relationship and all this shit going down. I don't know if that'll come up at all

1:16:07 because the season finale seems to be mostly about the play and stuff. I hope she goes down a path where she wants to become clean, but I don't think we're there yet, and I think season 3, if anything we're going to just see more like turmoil, but that's just my prediction will see. Yeah, that's where moral like, Lori and like, yeah, that's fine. I mean, like we can't they're not just you for is a like he's held. It's like they're not going to kill the not gonna drop the Suburban home. But next season, if ruse cut loose and living on the street. Yes. She can. Yes, we get wrapped

1:16:37 up in that and Sam's all the types of just leave plot lines behind like, we're gonna get like something. Yeah, right. This bitch wasn't introduced for no reason. Yep, so scary. But yeah. Whoo. What episode I did it. He gets the Tony. Super limited. All right, let's go your best dressed fast stress for me. I'm gonna have to say Lexi just because she like ran the play. I liked her funeral

1:17:07 dress, even though it was like sad and depressing. I liked her dress. I like to all of her outfits. I thought her makeup was cute. I just she had played so many roles. Casket was money. Oh, the cat skirt was amazing. And when she was like hot in that hot pink dress and she said it smelled like shit behind stage. That was funny. It was cute. I think. So. Technically, I have to give it to Lexi, although I appreciate that is in the suit actually. No, I'm just going to give it The Fez especially because he opted for Note II which is like the classic David Lynch look, which I also appreciate.

1:17:38 And yeah, taught about myself and he looked, and you know, what white shirt buttoned up to the top of the sukkah and no ties move? And you know, what? Fusco, you heard it here. First on that. So euphoric you indeed look handsome to everyone. That's the time. Yeah, it's good. All right, we're Strauss. Oh, you got first, you're like I feel like, you know, oh, yeah, the very children, almost the whole lot. This awful. Her hair was so scary. I hear you like

1:18:08 doing Maddie is like so bad. Like the bra, the the hot pink bra top in the hallway, with that skirt. It was just glad we were in high school. I mean, I know it's you, it was funny when Maddie was like, well, she sure looks the part. Yeah. All right, Bae Lexi bamboo episode is See ya. It has to be although Ethan is a close second. He really brought it. Oh, you're right. Hey caught. It is split. I didn't they both. It's I think it's fair to say split even. All right, that's fine. Okay.

1:18:38 What about the the good old big purple, dirty rat? Bastard Cassie? Yeah. Hannah wasn't just the the pier disrespect for her relationship with Maddie. This perspective. This is like he's big night and she's once again all focused on her fucking self. Yeah, totally. I'm victim. Victim victim, victim retired officer disrespect for her best friend. Just use. I'm tired of it. We all go through a lot Cassie, but, you know, buck up little camper ditched my need at the

1:19:08 end kicked out. And just, that seems like a creepy when she was like, I'll eat whatever you want. I'll say what? I was like, all right. I'm out. I like Stan City, sweetie, but I'm not to see you anymore. No, not do Ghazi. All right. What about the class, clown? Class Clown, I mean, once again Lexi I really like her. Play was funny as fuck. That sound for me is hands-down, Ethan, primarily for his portrayal of mrs. Howard. He's like,

1:19:38 that was an amazing. Having him play her is like, perfect, and hilarious, and so well done. What a good idea. I wonder what sparked the idea. You know what I mean? Is they could have gone anyone to do that? No, it was great. He was perfect. It was so good. All right. What about the song? Song. Oh, mine was or you go first, because I have to pull it up. I forgot the name of that. So I was about to go with. Let me see. I need a hero. I'm just gonna okay. I'll save

1:20:08 mine first. Mine was more by Bobby Darin, the song that Cassie and her dad are dancing to because I thought we didn't go too in depth. I'm not seeing but that scene really like, was a tearjerker for me. Yeah, just because like, I don't know. Like I said, you don't ever get to see like her. Inside of what she went through with her family and how she reacted to that. And it really broke my heart to see, like a young girl, be betrayed by her daughter like her dad, literally abandoned up, and just left. Yeah, and poor little Lexi and look at her now putting

1:20:38 on this fucking play and slang. So yeah. Well, mine was about to be the word, Hurricane by air which is from The Virgin Suicides soundtrack, which is amazing until the fucking credits hit. And then I was like, I know this song, What is the song playing during The credits I couldn't find it anywhere and I fucking figured it out and it is the Cannibal Holocaust Theme by Riz. Ortolani, which is one of my all-time favorite horror movies. It's the grimiest

1:21:09 movie to ever be made. It's so grimy that in the 70s, the director had to go to court in Italy to prove that. He didn't really kill the actors in the movie, because it was so grimy. Are you serious? Yeah. About. It's the few talk about this all the time. I refuse to watch it first found footage movie. It's the idea is like this crew goes to like the Amazon to Lake Film cannibal tribes and everything goes wrong and they get killed by the Cannibals and eat and it's all like found footage

1:21:40 and it's so the effects are incredible. It's from the 70s and it all looks at. What was it? Like, sorry, did they have like a good budget or is it more that it's so wrong? Like it's so bad. Really went to the Amazon film with like like local tribes in the middle of nowhere. Nowhere and everyone's I couldn't watch that actors. Really thought it was a snuff film in the actors, really were dead because the effects are so good and it's so gnarly. Wow, and the score is great, the song super good. So why do you think so, is that the only?

1:22:10 But I decided the song was used in that movie or is that like, it's the, it's the Cannibal Holocaust. The that's the name of the song. Wow, it's the score for. So, do you think Sam's and that should I could definitely see everything into it? He's so in the like, it's Destiny's way in the lake, you know, I feel like you and Sam having like beers would be like the best moment ever. I feel like you and Sam have so much in common. Well when it comes to interest, you know what I mean? I mean, I would love to talk to me. Clearly is into like really grimy weird. Like

1:22:40 yeah horror movies, which is all I'm into. Yeah, and he's he's really just. Yeah. I feel like his personality from what I know is very similar to yours. I think the guys would get along so Cannibal Holocaust Theme being a major HBO like show production of a like teenagers doing drugs is incredible. Like hey do that. That love that. He just like won me over is like a massive fan for life, just for that choice alone. I love that for you. Amazing.

1:23:11 All right, you friends. It is time for change our minds build and sell it right? No, not you me. Alice. I'm sick and Also, you know, like please forgive me. I've been a little snow, poor Alex, or slurred, or sloppy than all. This is how this like awful cold for like four days. So no, it's not covid, but he's been really sick. He's sick, but he's here. Still drinking and doing this podcast.

1:23:41 So, Bill drinking, so please, excuse. If this has been a little, I mean, you have to drink for like sees play, we have to I mean, we were a little lamb for the place you so. So the first one that's up a fan wrote In Love the pond, you guys are great. Great. Thank you. That's way too nice disclaimer. This is not my theory. I saw it on Tick Tock but I felt like I needed to share it. So we know that Nate is 18 and he's the oldest sibling or no fuck no Nate is 18 and the oldest sibling

1:24:11 is 25. That is a seven ish year difference, allegedly. So the missing brother is most likely the middle child and Nate is the baby. Could all be bullshit, but thought it was still interesting. Stay euphoric. Yeah, love this weight. Love this, like email that you sent, by the way. So, thank you. We think you're great. Also, this is a very interesting, right in. Not only do we think you're great. I also think you're right,

1:24:41 and I feel stupid a little bit for never having like, look more into this. But here's the background like they show the the Jacobs family portrait. There is a child the middle child, who looks very, very much like me. Well, not just mine. A I said this too. Looks like the act that the kid actor that plays me in the show and she's a walking. I don't know whether it is, or is not the exact same person, but it looks very much like the actor. I guess. If you really wanted to do research

1:25:12 and go that deep like a fucking loser, you could figure. However, but we have some makes an incredibly good point, which is that. Yes, we know. For a fact that Nate older brother. Aaron is at least 24 or 25. Yeah, he is 18. So that's a six to seven year age difference. And when you look at that family portrait, the person we always thought was Nate and the oldest brother are not six to seven years apart. No, they're like four, maybe

1:25:42 maybe three very scattered. If I had to guess I'd say two or three. And that's interesting. I changes a lot of our theories. I don't know that it changes my theory about a killing. I mean, it does seem weird that the youngest brother would kill a brother significantly older than him. So I guess it kind of throws that envelope. Fuck. Yeah, Loop a little bit, but a lot of fun think that this person assuming that the like, you know, the production Department planned. Everything

1:26:12 and did every exit ever. I'm sorry, but they did Sam. So far has proven like, Yeah, I'm sorry, but other than this one photo that we joke about with a little brother. There is nothing new for me. That's fallen through the cracks. Well, I think the found must be right as well because Cal they made a point to have Cal take it with him in this season. So yeah, there's no way the portrait could be wrong. So I always am not wrong. Sam's, taking it into thought, like this has to be a storyline. So even if like, they didn't plan on it being a storyline, there's been so much talk about it. That like,

1:26:43 during covid, Sam was like, I have to write in some sort of like storyline. So, So, I have to all I can think. Is that this person's right. I think Nate is not the middle child. I think he's the youngest child. I don't think he killed his brother. I think maybe the middle brother was abused like Nate was, and gah self. Do two cows abuse. It's crazy that we're having to even contemplate cow being an abuser to his kids. That's crazy. I mean, it doesn't seem like not unbelievable, but it seemed like you've used Aaron because

1:27:13 he seems so like fun everything, but maybe he abused the middle kid. In the middle kid killed himself. And, you know, there's a lot a lot. A lot of this Theory throws a lot of appreciate this person right in the sack. Yeah, all I can assume based on the evidence presented. This is why we do change our mind bitch because I want to be thrown off. I want to be like, fuck. I haven't really seen many other people call this out. So I don't feel like this is super widely known. I feel like everyone just assumes, Nate's, the middle child. Okay, great,

1:27:43 and it's never said, it's not factual reason. Alright, our next one, our next change our mind. Oh, well, this fan opens with this is not a change our mind bitch, but I believe that two episodes ago. You guys were talking about Angus clouds live-tweeting of the runaway route episode. You read that I think you read one that I think went right over your head and it made me laugh so hard. When I initially read it. He said something like my mama would have smacked the orange out of me. And Paige said what

1:28:13 the hell is that even supposed to mean? Which I did say that. I didn't understand either. No. So Allison, I had other words. Last episode. We did not understand the joke. So this fan wrote in, he was talking about his Ginger Earnest, his orange hair. I was dying. Just wanted to share so that you could enjoy the joke as well. I'm enjoying the joke. I did not know that the smacking the orange out of me. Tweet had to do with Angus being a ginger. Yeah, good call. I also often forget

1:28:43 things is a ginger. I forget, I don't think of him that way but he obviously We is his head's always shape. So we don't think of it that way right there. But he's a ginger great call. I would never reveal a. I didn't really think about it. But yeah, you're right like a funny. Silly change your mind. But like you did change our mind because we did literally were so stupid. We didn't know the Joker like we're thinking was a prison suit or something. We were laughing. We're like. What does it mean? Well, thank you very much. You didn't change our mind. You like you, like

1:29:14 you educated our minds. We've opened our new Edge. Get it. Yeah, but the fact that the the Angus is secretly a ginger. Okay, so it was our secret. He isn't sure. Okay, next one. So this one also isn't really like a change of mind but it's it's interesting enough. The Alps and I were like, wow, this is complex and this person really like put a lot of thought into this response. And so I just wanted to read it because I think it's it's worth reading on the pot. What do you think, Alex? Anything else you want to say before? I read it. Let's hear it. Let's hear it.

1:29:44 Okay, so This season's theme I believe is giving each character, what they think, they desperately want, which ultimately represents our deepest flaw. So then she goes to list examples, or this person does roof finally gets jewels and drugs, her flaws addiction. Cassie gets mail validation from the most popular guy in school. Daddy issues Lexi. Finally gets to be the protagonist of her own story. She never takes action, copy guns, our

1:30:14 relationship with Ethan and finds love. Of self-esteem issues Nate gets to forget about his dad since you left and Maddie gets to cosplay as a rich girl boss and a massive Mansion, her flaw is passiveness. Now that everyone has what they want. They realized that it's a shit show, drugs are obviously bad and destroy relationships. Being led by Nate is the equivalent of run over by a car and the driver spitting. On you. The play is going to cause massive drama directed at Lexie, which

1:30:45 she's not used to handle. So we'll see. How she handles that, which I guess we will see you next episode and the rich Lady. This is where the change your mind starts. Maddie works for, I believe, is going to turn out to be super fucked up. It goes on from there, but I want to just like end it there because it's a really long response, which thank you. I appreciate once again, like, all the thought. And, you know, like the time you took to respond to us. I really appreciate it. But for time sake, I'm not going to read it all. But that being said, Alice and I both agreed.

1:31:15 Although this wasn't like Changing our minds. This was like a good overview of season 2, which is great for like the last two episodes. Yeah. I thought that was a definitely insightful. I think. Oh, meet both outside to the three cars. Agrees chiming Anna. No, I think that's actually very insightful. I think especially for the characters mentioned there. It really does apply and I think it kind of goes in line with another theme that we've brought up throughout the season. Which is that like a lot of characters

1:31:45 this season are really like Reaping what they said getting their comparisons. Yeah, I mean, 100% agree. What is rooh on? She wants to do drugs and have jewels. She gets it. It turns out horrible. Yep, Cassie was the daddy issues that like, yeah. She wants love, she gets an 8 like, yeah. And it all turns out horrible. She alienates everyone in her life and losses. Nate Lexi's was she said it was like the play. Let me bring it up again. Yeah, I think Lexie is still a TBD Lexi. Definitely. I agree

1:32:15 that Lexi. She's Lexi finally gets to be the protagonist in her own story, but she never takes action. Yes, agree. And I think the only TV D there is we'll see if it works out good or bad. Meaning. I think this might work out. I hope so Maxie, but we don't know yet and also to be fair when this fan wrote in she hadn't seen episode 7, so she was on the right track. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think this is a think it's a really great point about what like kind of the over. She also said cap begins a relationship with Ethan finds quote unquote,

1:32:45 love self-esteem. Umm, yeah, right. This is Ethan. Naughty cosplay is a rich girl boss in a massive Mansion. I love that. Yeah. The only thing I think about that one is I feel like everyone is really read into this, the man and the woman that she works for as being like this weird shadowy character and I think it's almost just, okay, but I don't worry. Hold on. It is, I think. Yeah. I really, I don't really think there's anything. Super weird guy. I don't either, I think it's just kind of. I also think we've learned the camera thing ended up being nothing. All it meant was, she gave

1:33:15 her a gift of the dress? Meaning she saw, she cameras like and well, they're also rich, rich, people have cameras everywhere. I needed in Malibu and trust me, every new job. I ever had a Malibu. They had a camera in every room. So it's like that's normal. If you have money, you have cameras. So I don't think there's any, like, extra layer of story there. Yeah. I think that's one thing that some people have really latched onto is that being like, some weird dark shadowy thing with this couple and I think it's kind of just as simple as it looks. I think they're just a written, any job you work for and she got to look at

1:33:45 what a would like a Life. She could have, she could be the leg, the woman's leg trophy wife, who kind of gets everything. She like, wants on the surface. And guess what? That pool scene was important because now we've learned, we've got more depth into Maddie and when that woman revealed like, Oh, I thought over my friend, a bunch in high school, but I'm better now, I think Maddie kind of like was turned off by it. I think of anything she was like, oh you did like she was kind of like I was looking up to and now like I'm kind of like what, right? I think she's kind of had to re-evaluate. Like

1:34:16 what your thoughts. I believe. That's so, I think that, that was kind of the purpose of that relationship and then it doesn't necessarily extend further beyond that. Well, there's still one episode left. So maybe some creepy weird shits gonna happen and I'll be yeah, okay, maybe we're back on my face. But right now, I think that that was just kind of more service level than everyone. Agree that serve that purpose for character and not some weird like dark twisty thing. Toilet and not to like we don't need to go on and on about this. But I will say Minka Kelly who plays the woman she

1:34:46 was only. A slotted to be in one episode. Sam continued her to be in a couple more. Hmm. So if I were to say anything in terms of like, will this be a thing? I mean, I I'm like you, I do not think so. But if I were to think so, that would be the only reason why because why is she in like more than she needed to be and maybe it was to tell a bigger story, but we don't know yet. But anyways, it large, I think that's a great Insight. I think that's a very valid well-articulated. Thought that's the season.

1:35:17 It showed in the play. Like I said, this was written in before this episode dropped. So wow, like that. We had to read that because I kind of just showed what we saw in state, a great call. And it's a good I think that's also a great use of that like theme on Sam's part. It's always interesting to give characters what they want and see what happens. Yeah, that we Harvest where they take it. All these people are always driven by these motivations. What happens, if everyone get what gets what they want. Yes. Most L, don't

1:35:47 turn out to be as happy as they think, they know. That's what happened here. Wow. Well, I mean, amazing, amazing. Amazing episode. I will cheers to Lexi Howard yet again because this play was just so good. She did such a good job. Our life should be first of all, our life, blows Oklahoma out of the fucking Waters. Fuck. Oh, fuck Oklahoma. Cheers to that. Cheers to Ethan being a hero. I will. Not just

1:36:17 the Kathy Kathy. See fucking happy. Should we might as well? Call it a Kathy God. That's Point. Such a mess. No, cheers to her season finale is coming up before he ends. Oh my fucking God. All I will say though, is yes, we have a finale coming up. Big and exciting, but we might have more coming after the finale. So stay tuned. Keep listening. And thank you so much for your thoughtful responses. We just love it. We'd love

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