S2 E8- He’s Eatin’ Cigarettes in Heaven

00:37 You forums. Holy shit. I feel like this is how you never get the syntheses. I know. But it is, it's a lot. Not only is it a lot. I'm like sniffling. I like need tissues. This was like, I mean, I was sobbing the whole time. It feels weird. Coming out of the Pod. Chasm mean, like, what up, like let's talk Euphoria and get drunk when I'm like, that's Are all coming out of like, somewhat up. Welcome to the podcast. It's wrong

01:08 about you for you. I need a drink, a cook pot. Yeah, to nurse my depression. But like I didn't find, I found that one of the least depressing episodes of the Season at least of the last few, not. Emotional is a better word, not I'm not depressed, but a lot of relatable shit for me in that episode. So I walked away from that Big Mike. Whoo, just like tear Street. Like I'm not kidding like actual like sobbing was

01:38 going on. I held it together. But yeah, yeah, pour me some Cooks. Okay. Wow, here we go. You know, let this one, this one, this one to a great season, an amazing season and A cast and to our listeners and to you for in the listeners to meatball to Ethan to Lexi. And you know, really we have to pour one out over here on the side for our boy R.I.P. That's right.

02:08 No. Don't even say that. We're one out for poor. Sweet. Ashtray or mine. That's so sad. Why'd you have to open with that? Now? I'm going to start crying again. Pouring drinks. You have to pour one out for the We do dearly departed. You're right. The dearly departed. Well, I will cheers to. Oh my God, that's so fucked up. I was going to say a long life live by a stray, but wow, no not long at all. Wow, whatever. Short

02:38 life of crime. Okay. Treachery short life, but like, just live to the fullest. Yeah. He sure did live it to the fullest and he went out guns blazing. He went out. Cheers. Cheers to astray and Cheers to one of my favorite characters. I didn't even think about, I'll show you, like, your quote on the podcasting. A ship is your favorite character. Like he was my first favorite character before we got so much fun as that, you know, I loved him so much. I just love little ashtray, sitting

03:09 in the back, being the weird unexplained child drug dealer. The possible moves brother in the background. That's a tough one. Really tough. I'm sorry. Alex, my condolences. Yeah. So I just fell off. You will not stop watching season 3. We have a podcast or a court. Oh, yeah, that yeah that well. Wow. I mean this episode from start to finish was just incredible.

03:39 Do you want to give us our title? Background is her? Yeah. So the episode, the title of the episode is all my life. My heart has yearned for a thing. I cannot name. Wow. A quote, the long one, a book called Amour, fou, or mad love by the surrealists Andre Breton. I've just, I'm sure I'm just butchered all of that. Friends. Pronunciation, French pronunciation, you know, learn your friend,

04:09 but, you know, I thought about it. I was like, I could just look this up and pronounce it properly, but I feel like I owe it to the fans to continue to just butcher it for the comedic value. So, my Action will will suffer for the comedy. Well, I might even call you out. It's kind of fun when I wasn't, as call us out, because that means they're listening. Yeah, you know, I'm fine with that. So, anyways, there you go. The book is he was the he was like the surrealist.

04:40 He wrote the surrealist Manifesto. He was there at the beginning and the book is described. In one review, is being an adulation of love as both mystery and Revelation. Hmm, the review. Also says that I'm more Foo is dedicated to Defying the widespread opinion that loves love. Wears out like a diamond and its own dust and instead celebrates protons own love and lover. Hmm. Any parallels with ours?

05:10 Is that just kind of overarching theme? I I have thought about that and I think I think we should Circle back at the end of the episode. Okay. Well how we think that relates not a but there you go. Cool. I'm all here for it. The Genesis of the title. Well, we open obviously with Fasco Custer and you know what last week. I said it Fay puts the hero and heroine and she sure did she truly does drop in the glass was

05:40 a genius move. I had a feeling from the previous that was going to be like a distraction of some sort. So I feel like I feel good that I didn't say it out loud on the podcast but I, yeah, I should. Saddam is such a minor like detail. I didn't really think to say it last week, but I was really glad to see that she had their back. It just unfortunately was a little too late which sucks because you can also tell him that moment. She's probably also thinking that like, fuck I should have like

06:11 said something when they met out of the outside when it was raining like because she's developing such a cool friendship with them. Yeah, and you know, it sucks to because it may not have been too late. And unfortunately, ashtray, kind of sped things up. I kill my God. I know I'm not happened. They probably could have weaseled out of this one. But I feel like it's good. That that happened because we've been, we've gotten so much more of ashtrays background and the

06:41 way he reacts to these type of situations and it makes sense that he would kill Koster. Like it just dies. He really blame him. He's a kid. He's not supposed to have like some insane strategic like mine. Know the warning from FEI and also he loves faces brother. Like you'll do anything is to defend. I'm, as he's kind of, I mean, he kind of runs, like, security for their whole operation. So yeah, you can't really hold it against him. But I also think like you said is he is

07:11 literally a child. So like the minute he stabs cost. Are you can see it in his face that he's like, oh fuck. What did I just do kind of thing. Like just like pure shock of like I just reacted, really? Lee fast just I don't know. I could see it in his eyes. It was very like childlike. Like oops. I think it's just because of how fast how aggressively Fez is like, oh fuck. Yeah. I think it's more based on fezzes response than on him. Killing. You, know what I mean? Like, he's probably a little bit, like I could have waited a minute or two. Yeah, right, right.

07:42 It's also saw the like, I hate the part where Fez has to kill Custard because, you know, he does it to save ashtray and because that's just what's going on. Like, the cops are on the phone and everything but like, Fusco is not a killer so that all he really does is keep him quiet. I know. But you know that that's not as like character type of like he's not the same as ashtray. I feel like he really feels it when he does have to kill people like in season 1 when he killed. Did we ever get a final answer on if he killed that doctor or not?

08:12 I think you'd I kind of think he didn't die. He just robbed him. I feel like we're going to get roasted by our fucking listeners if we get it wrong, so I'm not going to say aye. The Whigs, I need to refresh myself on season one. People keep getting mad at me. I had so many listeners that were literally, so mad at me for not remembering Lexi. Was the younger sister. I'm like, look, this is didn't remember. This is comedic, first of all and second of all, like, you know, we're not like cool doubting ourselves. As like, the

08:42 preeminent experts on this show. This is not the NPR of euphoria. This is the Drunken recap, right? Like, you know, we wanted to be 100% accurate at all times. Prepare for like six hours before every out time we recorded. I also fact check everything to death. But at the yeah, I like that's not how we roll. We listen to the episode and then we start drinking champagne. I was just going to say, there you go. So I was just gonna say I think also real quick. I think people forget that we literally watched the episode of we podcast No Lie

09:13 right after. So if we fuck up it's not that we're not doing the research. Is that we literally just watched the episode. Like so I think we do a pretty good, you know, we do but I'm saying we don't have Pretty accurate around here, even though we're not right all the time. Like I value accuracy and we try to issue retractions and Corrections when appropriate of course, but we also don't have the journalistic standards. We don't have the resources though because like the episode drops and then we go right into it. So it's like we do the best we can. Yeah, but I'm not sure. We'll have to maybe go back into season

09:43 one and see. But anyways, so we get then like the cute transition of mod and Angus, having this like back and forth. Adorable. Just to make it hurt. Even more. They have to give us this this sweet back and forth occurring over multiple days. It was like so well done. So sweet that I was already getting like emotional watching it because you know, something's coming. And at the time we didn't know it was ashtray that's going to get you know, right the old

10:13 there. We find out that we found out that if as is a fan of Little House on the Prairie adding that is cinephile record. God my Annie's the make me, watch that shit when I was a kid. It's very broad taste. Have you ever watched Little House on the Prairie? Get a little bit when I was pretty young. It's any literally like, fucking awful. I'm sorry. I don't care if anyone comes to roast me for that. It's so boring. And it's all like, Boomers being like, have manners while they were eating out of, like, tin cans

10:44 on. I gotta fucking handcart. It's like holding manners matter. We're like in the middle of like nowhere and my granny used to always like make me and Sisters watch I would be like look how ladylike they are. We all were like look who cares and a farm like this should be eating like an animal. Just stupid. I am familiar with it at large because my family would read the stories out loud to my sister when she was little. Oh, yeah. And all I remember about it is that like every book

11:14 was like almost like 90% of the book was like the long hard winter where everyone just suffers and they almost run out of food and everyone's sick and someone probably Dies. And then things would be okay for like, you know, like 10% of the book and then the next book. They're like back in the long hard winter. Well, guess what? Can it got? Real fucking boring. Lots the show but with like mediocre acting so yeah, so there you go. So he's basically a farmer that's cool. Yeah, right. I could that can see that. He likes chickens pigs, cows. He names all the animals.

11:44 I'm like, all right, he's right, you know, I'm a pretty anti-gun guy. But if I lived on a farm in the middle of nowhere, I definitely have a gun. Yeah. And like you could All the drugs you want to do on the farm a? Yeah, you could cause a lot of ruckus and it's a fuzz on overalls with a little Pitchfork and I put a little what's that? They put all their mouths a farmer little duck. We will hey, we'll hey, well Pizza Hut. Yeah, I can see that we find out that Fez likes to peel back the layers like a like an onion like

12:14 Shrek. Yes. We also got the, I wrote down in my little notes, fat is not being on social media as a Vibe. I feel Like he was really channeling your personality, Alex, like other than our podcast, Alex is just completely off social media and I envy him for that because I really liked that lifestyle. Just don't post. I like to. I still like to look at memes, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't care. No, but you don't post your life any at all you don't post anything personal and social media period. So like the pockets

12:44 is like the most personal you get and that's like not even that personal so it's like, you know, yeah, I was just jealous, but I was also like I love And I like how like see and him have an actual conversation that's valuable. Just like in modern times meaning like amongst even you and I and our friends which is that fezzes outlook on, social media is so healthy. It's like, well, I don't need to like meeting. Okay, Lexi initially says, well don't you want it so that you

13:14 can like see other people's interests and like connect off that and he's like, I don't care about like the basic level of people's interests and shit like, I don't need to know that I want to know like the deep shit and you don't get that a social media, right? And as much as like, to Someone Like You, that might be like, oh, duh for me. I was like, wow, that's wise, like, I never thought of it that way because that's always my excuse on the Lexi in that situation. I've said that to you before, I'm like, don't you want to like connect with people who like the music you like,

13:44 and like, even Euphoria is a great example. Like I've met a lot of cool people online that love Euphoria but the end of the day, I just thought that was very well. Is a fast point out that like the deeper shits? Never on social media. Yeah, surface-level bullshit. Right. Exactly. He points out the difference between like character traits and similar interests and you can tell it that really resonates with Lexie. Like you said Fez is like, very wise much of which has been revealed through these conversations with Lexi,

14:15 the way he thinks about art the way he thinks about social media life just in general. Yeah, this is The OSHA is really wise his upbringing as being so like aggressively independent from such a young age just because he's not, like, traditionally educated doesn't mean that he hasn't come to learn like, you know, significant valuable things about life, herbalist, sound like experiences and these conversations really show that off nicely.

14:46 I also liked the character. So likable and I also just love like I'm going to point out a A lot of details tonight because it's the finale, I'm going all in baby, but I like like the late night when you're in bed. Like that just brought me back to high school. Just talking to like guys, I had crushes on or even like literal because I owe a lot of my boyfriends in high school were friends that turned into boyfriend's. So I kind of, I just thought it was so sweet and like you that they're like, now that we know their history, they partied together,

15:17 they've known each other a while now. And now they're getting to know each other on like a different level that, you know, So all the sudden you're like, oh, wow. I actually like might like this person. So I was just like, blushing internally watching them like, you know, get to the point where they almost say, they like each other. You know what I mean? Just that moment where you're like, I think I like like this person. Yeah. I just thought it was just so sweet. Very cute. Well no time out what they want for their Futures. I just thought that was so endearing, like perfect.

15:47 Of course, Lexi's very like neurotic and has it all like about like how many kids she wants and at what age? Everything. That was me. She's like at 5:30. I want three kids face, how? Yeah, it was really sweet. But yeah, that was all cute. I also did like back to the social media thing. I liked that would first pointed out of that character. Traits not being something, you know, on social media. It's like, you know, you can have these like, you can think you have friendships on social media with people based on similar interest, but you

16:17 really don't know much about them as a person or their character or their nature. And that's what really matters and what a real relationship is built on. Thank God you and I didn't mean not know and I really mean this no shame to anyone that's been on social media. I know that's like a difficult thing these days and it is like a huge connector, but I'm very thankful that you and I did not meet on social media because you are horrible and social never get any days. No, I am I

16:47 dating apps and like social to make connections and meet people. Say that in a bad way, but I think that, like I said, it's like, I don't say it in a bad way, just like the way you said that, it comes off as like, oh, yeah, like, I'd be so bad at it, but it's like, that's a good thing. Like, I think that's why I was attracted to you because I I feel like the I'll carry the social media for both laugh. Yeah, that's but anyways, so I also want to note. Wow, Angus Cloud.

17:17 I think this was by far this episode as a whole, his performance was Is like so good. When you think about him just coming from, like, no acting background quite literally, no acting background. And I really thought this was like the best he's performed. I just had to throw that out there because I think he's like done a great job throughout the entire season, of course, but this one he had to really show a lot of emotion and it was like, wow just seeing the progression is made from season one.

17:47 Just sitting in the shop selling drugs to like crying showing them in or out crying. I like a little more depth and Nuance this season and I think he lived up to it. He did a good job. Like I felt him an ashtray is like Brotherhood. So fucking strong in that. It was intense, but we can move on though to like the place back to the play. I mean things just get out of control. I have my notes. Just says Cassie's meltdown. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

18:17 as we predicted Cassie storms on stage, which triggers a bunch of ER, storming on stage from mrs. Howard and Maddie, and eventually, what's your name cat? Yeah, and this. No, let's go. Well, I love the slow mo to of her entering the theater. That was done really well, because she looks like a literal clown. She looks like the Joker. Yeah, I know. There's like young ladies. This is her Joker moment for sure. It's her Joker moment. And it's just done really well because she just

18:47 looks literally insane. And as usual, she thinks she's in her head. She's and Herself as like Harley Quinn, like they're real. Like she's like, I'm ready to be the villain and stuff. But as we've seen before, she really doesn't live up to it. No, it comes time to. She gets booed the food. She runs away. She hits her head bashed in. Yeah. I have a lot of notes about this. I've got the crowd yelling, you racist. That Kathy was pretty funny because cos he's literally, like

19:17 she's so idiotic, but in this moment, she's not only being sought. Such a bitch to her sister. I mean really like I get it like, she's mad but it's like the stuff she says is low. This is a really low moment in my book for Cassie. Like I went from her being my favorite character of all time in season 12 quite literally hating her this season. She's no good because it's one thing to be upset, but to put Lexi down, like, she does. And to say, I literally put in quotes, she calls her a bystander

19:48 and that she never lived life. I mean, that is like those Some hurtful things to say to someone who has gone through a lot of tragedies with you, in life. Meaning life is absolutely live life. She's gone through losing her father, like dealing with your fucking crazy ass, so, I don't know, I thought that was and then, oh, she said I'm the one that gets hurt. Not you like see ya. Are you kidding me? I mean, she's just completely. Oh, yeah, Cassie.

20:18 You're getting so hurt. She's completely out of hand and the whole thing. Thing, this Howard joining in is fucking hilarious as well. She does. Look at weird hairless. She's like ice. Hey, Cheerilee, fails to do anything. But like, why did you get on stage? If you weren't gonna drag Cassie's ass off the stage? I think she's similar to not. I mean, no, I don't want to put Miss Howard down. She's the the goat, but I think she's a little person. So, if she's, I think she's the girl, but she's a little similar to Cassie.

20:48 Yeah. I think she's a little similar to Kasi about that. She cares about our egos, I think. It's up on the stage, not only to like controller daughters, but to be like, okay, like let's not like spill our family's real story. Like, this is supposed to be - I don't blame her for getting up on stage. If your kids were up there doing that. I mean, I would probably do the same thing, but she just doesn't, she doesn't follow through. She should have gone up there and physically drag Kathy off that stage and shut that shit down like her and she's very ineffective. Another part that I don't know if you caught someone

21:19 in the audience, will show us your boobs. Cassie is you catch that I did not get, I wrote it down. I rewatched a little closer after is Howard. I'll know to Cassie when she's up there alone, the ground after the guy goes, you're racist. Someone go show me your boobs. Well, I was funny, pretty nice. Also, I mean, come on, is there not a single School administrator at this event. Like, there's usually someone from the school and a playwright. Like, it's no not

21:49 at Euphoria. Hi, I mean, I'm not I guess. Yeah. Be realistic like budget. For this play was like five million dollars. I won't right there. Oh my God, and then I love when, you know, it obviously comes to an end because they get dragged off by Miss Howard. But I love when the girl on the carousel is like just having the time of her life and she goes. She goes, I just love fucking everything

22:20 is fucking hilarious that they brought back the I'll see you in like you have three. We pretty much think. The play is like close to over and then there's like, oh no, they're still funny more like content. Like we're going to get the full like Cassie at the carnival, like Molly situation, like who knows? What else should have been in there would have been but I also wanted to call up at mrs. Howard's worried when Maddie calls Cassie a cunt. She's like language. It's like oh Miss Howard you. Let these girls drink wine. Twerk in the hot

22:50 tub. They're sleeping over with like their brief. Case going after their boyfriends for the week. Like I don't think your daughter's friend's saying contas, all that bad like, yeah, we good. Yeah, you can probably let that one go. You can follow important things to focus on like your daughters having like this view that will end their relationship probably forever, literally, whatever who's to say? So then we get the epic fight like Maddie. She's like,

23:20 it's time to get violent. She's taking In off her shoes, she it's time to get violent. Takes off shoes like soft shoes as one does. I know. I'm like she doesn't take out the hoop. She takes off the heels. Yeah. She runs cats like, oh fuck, BB's like, oh God. And then we got BB yelling. She goes. Yeah, Maddie beat her ass. Yeah, and she takes a huge rip off her Jewel, right? That's later. But uh, she's running up the stairs. Well, that's fine. I'm just being really detailed, but that's

23:50 later because I do mention that I love that show. I mean we get some some quality VB contact after a season starved to be be content. We've really gotta be at least. Get one great comedic moments in this episode and she certainly delivered and she's the best for a girl fight. And when you have that BB commentary during a girl fight, all right, we all know when she before she Vape, she says she fucking deserves that shit. She fucked your boyfriend. Like, she's just going off. She loved it. She does hangs back and like,

24:21 you know, taunts everyone and Shout. It's various insults. And it's the jewel. Well, he doesn't try to get like physically and she just wants to like be up in it. Like, she's also got a part of the girl history. Right? Like she's just kind of the, like, everyone has that friend to, like, this is not that unrealistic. I mean, every fight has that person. Like there's yeah, a video, I think, probably. I think it's on Worldstar, which is appropriate for. There's a good video that like, breaks down, like all the, like, character types and apply a. There's always like the random like side character,

24:51 like instigator huzzah. Is trying to like rile everybody up and like get the fight to take place and like, providing like color commentary, you know, you have to it's definitely her the situation. It's also like I said, it's not unrealistic, but in high school like we all like, in any situation College, whatever it may be, you always have that friend. That's not like a part of your, like real, like deep friend group. So it's like all these girls have so much history and then people just kind of the one that kind of hangs around. Like she's there every once in a while.

25:21 She's the party friend, like Like heck. Yeah, because the parties of them. So as much as we joke that like we want Justice for PV to have more time in, it's like I kind of love. I kind of like that. We don't get a lot of time with her. Yeah, like you just comedic. She's the thumbprint. Yeah. I just want more comedic really. She's got. Yeah, she's too much. The dish Scott too much to vape. It says yes to going on at the mall. Yeah, so it goes down. Cassie, get slapped. I was a little disappointed that she only got slapped but then they go down the hall and then Maddie

25:51 throws her into them. Brick wall. Yeah, only like IMA slap. That is a much harder head. That's pretty good. Then you do have to give some props for the slap. And that's what ever. It was hoping for far more than a single flap. And I was like, oh, they're not going to give us any but then she gets the the wall to the face. And I was a pretty good one. That'll fuck you up. So I, I'm glad we got that much. I kind of wish she would have been the one that gets hit into the, you know, when everyone thought it was going to be passing, it gets big into the blow dryer. Whatever

26:22 I ahhh, Honestly, at this point, wish she would have. Yeah, although I have to say the moment in the bathroom that they have is is pretty chilling when she's like looks like Tony Just Brittany broke up with me and Maddie's like, oh, trust me. This is just the beginning lie. I'm a diva's recently had a gun held to her head. So Cassie is in for it and I kind of like, but they leave it at that because also not he doesn't owe her that at this point. Like, I mean, that's nothing that's nothing. That's just like like a taunt like

26:52 girl. Your father. Yeah, I don't give a shit about you. But your you thinking this is the end of your your business with Nate is? Yeah, those areas because that shit's gonna go on and on next season. I'm sure the writing for that was perfect. Like I like that they ended on that. Like you said, Lo literal like haunting moment of the foreshadowing of what could possibly happen in season three with this but also its, you know, we all of course.

27:22 Really want that moment to be Cassie apologizing having more to say but we all know that wasn't going to happen. Oh, wow! Meatball hot cheese. Well, that was the third host meatball giving his leg from the boy. There's your hot take for the night. What do you think he was commenting on? I'm putting you on mute. You sound like Cassie meatball. Well, well, well

27:54 All she does is drink in the hot demand cry. Iron puker crying. That is those puke decent amount. It's not on the Cassie early as a crier. No puker. Yeah. So anyways, I thought also what was interesting about all of this is that there's no there's no new Maddie like plotline. She doesn't get like roped back in and anyway, which I think does still leave the door open for her departure next season in a way that makes sense. Like, she's pretty done with Cassie. She doesn't seem like she has anything else.

28:24 He needs out of that relationship. She's done with me. She ends this this episode. I was like, she's ready to get the fuck out of there and I could definitely see that being the case like season, ah degree and my input on that as well. Is I think that's why I have, you know, I've mentioned many times that I'm much more in love with Matty the season because I think like you said, I think she's matured. She's evolved quite a bit and in that moment. I thought it was very Finding I will say right now my prediction

28:54 for season three is there is no friendship. I mean because I think of it Sam does such a good job of keeping things very real and not just doing things based off what fans might want and what audience, you know might want and it's like, of course we all want Maddy and Cassie to be front, you know, meeting we'd like to see a friendship of a long time. Come back and he'll and blah, blah blah, maybe not not everyone find me well in a perfect world. World, you know what you want a character you once

29:24 like to come to their senses. Apologize. And then maybe whole cool real friends. No. Yeah, right. It's all happening. I'm calling it right now. So happening. I think, Maddie's done, like you said her departure. She's matured. She's going to move on. She's going to join algae. She's going to college ladies and gentlemen. Algae posted during the premier and Alex, and I were cracking up. He posted a photo of like him. Me and Cassie on. From season 1. And I forget what the caption

29:55 was. It was so funny though. It was like, oh no, like didn't see this comment or something and Alex and I were dying were like algae is just so thirsty. Like it's the season finale. Like, McKay is officially like we can all say not like he is gone by now. He's graduated college. We don't need to talk about it anymore. You never know. He he's coming back. I love you. I'll do but, like the thirst trap

30:25 for, like you for is, he's funny. Well, do you have anything else about the crazy fight scene to bring up? No, you know, I think I think that pretty well covers both for itself. Yeah. Daddy's taking her revenge. She has, she got a little violent. Not enough for Alex, but she got violent. You better than nothing. So then we got it. I Sleeve didn't talk with you about this scene until now

30:55 because I want your genuine. I kind of want you to go first on this Elliot Elliot singing. Yeah. Yeah be honest, you know, I was kind of mixed about it. I thought that these no I'm not one for like a like a. This is what I knew. You were gonna say, I don't know. I'm not gonna not too harsh on it. I'm not 14 like an acoustic. Leg number and I show

31:25 maybe a little cheesy but I thought that the songwriting kind of made up for it because the lyrics to the song little ditty. He sings for Roo. I thought that they interestingly and well-liked expressed The Dilemma his character was going through and the feel like we're he was at and I found it. I've only underground it landing on. Right side of like endearing and sincere

31:55 and not on the side of cheesiness. So I really don't have a problem with it. Let me read the lyrics. He said, I wrote Little Star feels like you fell right on my head. Gave you away to the wind. I hope it was worth it in the end. You and my guitar. I think you may be my only friend. I gave it all to see you shine again. I hope it was worth it in the end and like you said, the writing was very well done because that's the part that like guess. It's You. The lyrics are very sweet and they're almost like

32:26 not so direct that you're like, yep, I know exactly what that means. Like, you know, it's kind of encapsulates, his feelings about what he did. Like, yeah, you knew that he was going to be sacrificing possibly is relationship with through forever. Yes. I'm to try to, you know, save her life kind of like giving it up to fate and there's like a lot of conflict in the decision. Like that. Especially is he's like a Druggies are, you know, and they share

32:56 that Bond over that he clearly like felt very conflicted and shitty about, like his decision. Oh, great. You know, it's interesting. No one wants to be the rat, like, you know, saving someone's life. So, it comes with a lot of like, guilt and like tough feelings. And I thought this was a did a good job of showing like how he was thinking about that situation and what he did, and Monomers that. So, my reaction. So I got yours. And I'm glad we're on the same page.

33:27 I, I would say, Alex and I are on the same page. Like you mentioned, we are not fans. I'm going to be a little more passion on my response. We are absolutely, never fans of, like, a moment of silence for the guy in the romance, movie pulls out like an instrument and is like singing, like at least of all an acoustic guitar, but there's some movies that do it really, really well. And It's far and few between. For me, meaning I will never, I always joke with Alex if he ever even if you had a good voice,

33:57 meaning I'm not joking about like, you sucking at singing. And what? If I have a horrible, you have a horrible voice, but I'm saying, if you had a really good one, I still would not feel comfortable. If you were like, hey talking to me, the conversation all the time. You're like, let me put it better and make it more hearing that I have an awful voice. No, it's it's worse, but I really mean it. I weirdly Maybe we are both the odd ones out for this, but I fucking hate when people break out into song at random. It makes

34:27 not because even if they're have a good voice, that's cuz it makes me feel uncomfortable. It's universally obnoxious. And uh, yes, but I think it's very like I literally begin to cringe and I'm like so turned off like I'm just like this is so unbearable. Yeah, but like you oddly enough. It was definitely the writing and the little like It was very sweet, very endearing and that you get ruse reaction to write, like Zendaya's acting makes it even better because she really liked right now. We showed

34:57 up. Yeah, so it was the perfect formula to make it something that I found extremely endearing and honestly, perfect for like resolving that little part of Elliot and ruin thinking. Okay. What's next for them? Yeah, and I think it also puts things in the right space where it's like, it's unclear. What's next for them. Yes. They're even going to me. Maintain like a strong friendship after this probably will, but it even puts that into like perspective is like, even something like that is on the table, like

35:28 all. So I'm clear. I'm sorry, but Dominic is he's pretty sexy and less like this was cute, you do as mustache. You don't find him. Like, even in this moment that like, you wouldn't as a girl. You are a guy anyone. I don't know why I said that but like in ruse shoes, I guess is why. That as a girl, like Andrews shoes. Would you not be sitting there? Like this is so like hot because I was thinking I don't even

35:58 know what I would do if I was her. Like I would be blushing major and I would just think it was cute. Like meaning like I would be like, oh my God, like you wrote that for me. Jesus doesn't do it for me, but I see the appeal. Yeah. Also the glance he gives are in the theaters very like cute little head nod. Like I was like, oh my God. Yeah, I um get some points for Having a Nick Cave poster to can't tell you. It's really come around for us this season. Yeah. Yeah, you know, he gets he gets some points

36:28 for that. I can't actually say we the beginning and look at the Circle. We've come to buy the finale. We're like liking him singing a little bit. Like I've come like half circle on him but begrudgingly, but yes I have and yeah, but we like hated him so much in the beginning, but I'm like, if he was singing and like episode to you would be like, oh this idiot. Yes, this is true. But now that we like them were like, oh, this is so cute. Yeah. Also, I have to show you these memes grudging about it, but you're not wrong. I have to show

36:58 you these memes. I did think they were funny and we were actually in different to most that Twitter reactions. I thought everyone was going to be on our page being like, that was so cute. Oh, my OMG, is everyone, there's this one on SpongeBob and it says, why the fuck did they interrupt Maddie beating the shit out of Cassie for Elliot's long? A song. And then there's this other one that says I were wasting time with Elliot song, it

37:28 it may be went on a tab. The last one says, just wasted five minutes with Ellie and song. Thank you, for me. They really went there with the whole second verse. I know, you know, like I said, I thought the internet was me and I liked the song. Actually wasn't mad about it. So I can't, I can't complain. No, but I thought it was funny because usually were the Usually where the Twitter like haters. And this time we were like, we like yeah, right. We're going soft. Also shout-out to this is random, but we're back

37:58 to the play. I really love Veronica. Taylor is the one that plays the assistant Alexei in the play at the moment. I don't know, her fictional character date, but her real name is Brian Taylor. I added her on her Instagram. I don't know. I grew to really like her. I think she's so unique and like You and fauna in this episode and I actually watched a young Hollywood interview that she did and it was really cute. Like she was scouted

38:28 out by the casting, crew before covid hit. So she was super bummed because when covid hit the kind of were like they would like not go sitter, but they just dropped everything. Like, didn't really call back anybody. So they called her back and they were like, Sam watched your video and like just loves you. So she was like, Oh shit, like that's such an honor. Like that's crazy. That's and watch like my audition like picked me. So I thought that was cute because I actually really liked her. I thought she was funny. Yeah,

38:59 I like the little the interaction between her and Lexi before when they decide to go on with the play is nice. That's why I brought it up. I feel like she had her back and she was like, she say she's like, art should be dangerous. Yeah. She was just cute. She was like a good comic relief and really sad moments for Lexi, you know, as a podcast host. I really feel that way. It is my guest hosted a really dangerous gig, you know, yeah, we put

39:29 our body and our emotional Psyche on the line week after we for the art we do it all for the we deal with the trolls pride and talking over each other, you know? Yeah, it happens. But yeah, I thought that was cute. So then we got this. This iconic part in the episode, which I loved so so much, which is rude. Chanting for Lexi and starting the school. Chant,

39:59 Lexie Lexie. Yeah, just seeing her reaction to her standing ovation and what they call Encore, not standing ovation Encore. It's like, I mean, it's kind of neither because the play is like halfway done. Yeah, but it's cute. Of course, that's cute because Think of Ethan, big of all the hard work you've put into this. Play gonna be even in this movie when everyone's chanting Lexi's name, we should let's think of you. I was thinking of you but I'm liking just put his

40:29 like heart and soul. In this plays playing every character. He did that huge dancer. Team of the big penis. He's living like his fucking dreams. True. He goes, he got props on stage from the person. He's portraying. I mean, that's going to states with cot. He's going through a breakup and this was his big break out some like but yes, of course, I'm thinking of like see also. So, oh my God, so I immediately started literally started crying when she goes out and dedicates. I don't know if she dedicates the

40:59 second half of the show to Fez, right? Is that what she does? Or yeah, I don't want to like, use quote it. But yeah, she said, someone told me that like, sometimes, it's okay to hurt feelings. Yeah. She said something that sometimes people need their feelings hurt. Yes. So even though you can't be here. And does that go into The Fez Co ashtray like

41:29 gun down moment. I think it does, we get into that part. Well, yeah. God they had to give us all these fucking like crushing seeds of like fezzes letter, to Lexi like being trampled by the fucking SWAT team. Like calm. I did think that was a cool shot though where they throw the Roses down almost like it's on the stage of the play, but really it It's just like he's thrown him down because he's like fuck I gotta like figure this shit out. So the SWAT team bus and you know, add fezzes fezzes plan is for ashtray to get out

42:00 surrender and he's going to take the blame. Of course after he's just such a g. He's never going to let that happen. So he goes to the washing machine and gets the guns, locks himself in the bathroom. Which to me. I was kind of like, what is he like, what's his plan? I was thinking suicide at first because I saw him grab the gun and I was like, Is it just kind of like shit himself right now? Like, oh no way. Well, I didn't know I was like, what's he doing? He's out of these, putting them all in the bath and I was like now what do you always get in the bath?

42:30 Like the bath is the safest place to be in a. Gunfight really more. Is if you're just the shield of it like that. Yeah, like if your house is ever getting shot up in like a drive-by. That's a common thing. Litters a take note. Everyone said, if you hear like gunshots, like nearby and you're like, maybe I'm sorry. Like you're supposed to get in the bathtub like in case of stray bullet comes if there's like shooting close to you. It denotes the safest place to be so he go, you know, he jumps up in the bathtub

43:00 because he's I think I mean, I think his plan is just like I'm not going to let Fez go down for this and he's gonna, what kind of and this moment was gonna go dangerous Initiative for self-defense. He was coming out over the gun. Would that not have worked? I was thinking the whole time. I know they don't have a lot of time but they drown the phone so the cops can't hear them. Well, I think that's what fez's plan vaguely was. But like, then I mean there's no great like plan there because they're on the fucking recording and everything.

43:30 Also, to be fair, behen this moment man. This is a scary moment, like being her would just be so scary because you're like not involved in any of this. You're just kind of, you know, what you're into, because you're living with drug dealers. But like, this apartment is so scary because it's like, well, she's not a part of any of this like, you know, and then here All to be in the middle of like a shootout. It's so scary. Yeah, I mean I think as much as Fez loves ashtray a shy loves Fez and ashtrays. Not gonna let you guys go down for something you didn't

44:00 do and you know doing this like a is going to I mean, he's going to go out in a blaze of glory and I think this makes it clear to the cops like that. He's the killer ideal and it gives Fez and out of the situation. We'll see if this works next season given that Fez Was like, holding the knife and stuff. But I mean at this point with ashtray, dead feds should reasonably. Be able to blame all of this on ashtray which like feels really bad, but that's probably what ashtray

44:30 wants in this situation. It's yeah out of jail time God. That's so sorry. Cuz Fez just wants ashtray to like live the life. He didn't get to you know, it's not some don't live period like also he's a holy off topic but phase are sneakers are really cool. And yeah she has Those are the yeah, I mean, unfortunately our predictions we got it spot-on with our predictions last week. We said if says gets shot, he lives if ashtray gets

45:01 shot, he dies. And both things happened, which I didn't expect, but no, we were cracked with both of them. I didn't think ashtray was going to like knock Fez out. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't think it was going to go to that level of like, I don't know. I just didn't know. Yeah, but Wow, the shootout is done really well, like from cinematography perspective. This scene was so tense. I was like, sweating sitting here watching it just

45:31 so much going on. Like I said, Angus gave like such a good performance. You're just so tense. Same with our girl, Faye. Like she did a great job. This whole scene was just so well done. It was just crazy. And the end wear a shirt is blows that cop. It's like oh, oh shit. I do like that. Even though he, even though he went out, he really liked. I liked that. He, they gave him like that little Wayne where it's like, he got to take that guy with him. Yeah, because that's his Personality. Yeah, fuck. They have the smartest

46:01 suggested. Yeah, he's gonna get God at some point. And unfortunately, that wraps up the The Fez ashtray storyline for the season, which is awful. I'm gonna fucking this ashtray next season or IPS. Stroh, we will see you. All righty, one of the best characters on all of Euphoria for two seasons running and so, we'll casted. So yeah, great. Just great work all around. Great work. The most

46:31 emotion we've seen from Fez, for sure. Like he, he's really good at playing the Loki tried to like, even when room is like pounding on the door, the season one like he didn't really have to show much emotion. But like I said, in this one, I was like he was thinking across as was because like I'm not like you were like ashtray diamond. Of course, that's so sad. But like, I was more crying at fezzes reaction. Yeah, that's like his one person. He had like, without him think about it. He has no family. That was it. I know

47:01 he's just got that catatonic, Grandma, which sucks. They're all these predictions of shoes gonna wake up during the shootout. Hot. I mean she gonna do like a swap mode. I mean, Madame a take out all the cops like but even if how this shit that's going on. The grandma like pokes, her head outside likes. Let's go reaches under the bed for like a cache of weapons. Come on, you know, Grandma did not

47:31 wake up, please and Solomon's. Yeah, wake up the granny didn't wake up. So then we move on mate. Filling a gun and I will say at least he didn't do the beer bottle trick again because yet again you for sure did it. They just didn't show it. He definitely did it get it? Get a Budweiser like or is it a Budweiser in the cup holder. I was like, well, is he gonna do the trick? Is you gonna do the drink? I mean, even me knowing but yeah, so then he's off, he's all drunk

48:01 and angry and he's off rolling, the cows, the god of the cows architecture, developer offices, whatever where they're all drinking with Daddy, I expected Cal is party a collection of like total like, you know, street miscreants. So let's make a note here. Here. So just so everyone understands. Cal is an what is the in architecture real? He's a developer developer development, but known for being big. In the town,

48:32 wealthy middle class wealth, right. Money. And he drinks cooks and Natty Ice is now what we know so far lower, he parties hard and party is cheap. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that. So, let's launch shame. Cow for his liquor choices. Also. I will applaud cook. So the day I die. Daddy eyes. However, it tastes like you're just driving force pissed. I'm with you on that. I don't. That's like a level below. And I'll drink basically anything. And I won't drink that. I didn't want to

49:02 young age, meaning of age to drink, but like, 21 and up. If you're like partying and someone hands, you a naughty eyes. Please judge that. That's Gotta Go, I mean, just don't you can find something better. So, I checked with grab some because that you could take a PBR for cheaper and it's better. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm not. Natty Ice really is. It's the cheapest. Is it really? Oh, yeah, super than him. Yeah, cheaper than everything. It's really really cheap for. I don't judge them but it sucks. Don't forget is why doesn't

49:32 she get while plugging your nose? Okay, moving on. So I checked the, yeah, the credits and these characters that I cows partying, with are named Sky, Ricky Bambi and hard Harry, who is presumably the leg. Like older like guy with the room long on and yeah, I'm assuming that that's hard. Harry because who else here would be harder, you know? Interesting, you know, I was so he looks like he's probably like

50:02 the local meth dealer or something. I was so scared. In this part that I wasn't, I'm bummed cause like I wasn't paying attention really to the side characters at all because I was so afraid that Nate was going to shoot his dad or kill himself. I told off the whole time I can never Like quiet, what? I think something's going to happen. I was like he's gonna kill himself. He's going to kill himself her because I thought, I thought in his mind killing himself would torture, hit cow more than like, yeah.

50:32 To know what I'm saying. And then he also came from the play where he clearly was. Like so upset and like traumatized by all that. Yeah. I don't find that unreasonable. It guess he was just scared. I was worried. I was like, I hate me but I don't want I don't want to see that. Yeah, I will I will say this is the The the one part of the episode that I did not, I didn't feel super. I didn't think was great. I they pass off. What appeared last week to be like, basically

51:03 refutable evidence that Nate was abused by a cow as Nate saw Cal sex tapes at 11:00 and then had dreams nightmares of being abused by cow, which I find, that's not weird where I'm, I find that Pretty unbelievable. And very strange. And I guess, all I can take away from that is that it speaks to Nate's Mental Illness, but like, obviously, it's highly upsetting to find sex tapes of your father being prostitutes at 11. That's going to fuck

51:33 with you in a myriad of ways and, you know, is psychologically damaging for plenty of reasons, but I definitely find it hard to believe that that result in you having nightmares and being sexually abused by your father. Like I do not see the connection between those two things and how that's like the results in effect. Is that knee tablet? Now has like nightmares about being bone Baikal. I don't let me get that. I would just

52:03 sit or not. There's no disagreeing on my perspective was, I do understand that because I think sometimes dreams are just especially when you have trauma or things going on in your life. Your dreams can be very like, they don't make Meaning they don't make any sense. I've experienced trauma in my life. And I've dreams all the time that don't nothing like that. I don't want to get into that all please on the record, nothing like that, but just weird shit that you would never in

52:33 a million years. Be able to put a plane really occurring dream for him. Like you think I don't you just oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's become like this big envisions himself being abused by a cow, which I really am not getting NG what Ali and I guess I mean I might take away from that was it speaks to Nate's like, larger mental illness that he sees this at 11 and not only does it become like sexually fixated on his father, but he like dreams that his father is

53:03 abusing him. Well, we also don't know yet, Nate's has the I don't know if this would matter to you or what you think on this, but we also don't know Nate sexuality hasn't come that. We kind of established through this season when he's like pansexual. Sure, but I'm saying a lot of people meaning listeners fans of the show have been saying like, oh, the play out of their movies, gay and I'm kind of over here. Like we don't know that, we have no idea. So I think the dream kind of hints maybe

53:34 like that could be a thing. Like if your dad's I don't know. No, I don't like down down. No, no, no, no, you know, that it's a mix of like his I don't know if he lets say he is gay. Could that be like a mixture of going through that meeting being closeted and then? On top of it, like having to go through the trauma of his dad. I'm saying maybe the two Collide and like his dream land because like dreams are fucked and like are weird. I don't really don't

54:04 see. Like the dreaming of like being abused by your parent, like being dreaming of being sexually abused. Your parent, that's a big thing. Very like unique and uncommon, like that's not a, yeah, I don't like a normal egg dream in that, as far as I know. Like people aren't having recurring dreams of being abused sexually abused by their parents. It's that's based on some kind of reality.

54:34 Yeah don't think age is like being in two dudes plus like seeing his dad like boom prostitutes like equals him like having a nose but art is weird. The only point being I found this It's kind of like weird and like, kind of week and I personally like, would not have done it this way, or we introduce this like big like straw, man of like, Nate got sexually abused and then do away with it. The next episode. I, that's a good word for me. Yeah. I understand where you're coming from on that. I

55:04 think my biggest, I know this might be really minor and stupid, but I thought it was weird that the gun is there. It has such a presence. You're like, so tense, because you're like what the fuck's going to happen with the gun and then nothing happens and then it's I found is that with that? He just does nothing. Yeah, this is like, here's he pulls out a USB and said, I'm like, wait, what? Yeah, that's a serve no purpose and then the girl like pops up with the Natty Ice and you're thinking, it's the gun. That kind of scare. It jolts you because you're like, oh fuck, did you get that? I thought it was like, the gun clearly

55:34 going like that. Like the anti check-offs cut in the season. There's like there's a gun on screen and we're going to show it extensively but then it's not gonna be used. Yeah. I thought that was a little annoying. So I'm with you to see. I was the only part of the Valley where I was a little like, huh? Yeah, that wasn't that but I was just like, huh. The only reason I'm glad about any of this or think it's good at anyway, is that it does establish the cow wasn't a sexually wasn't sexually abusive to Nate, which is how we read Cal initially. Yeah.

56:04 I found it very shocking and weird that they introduced that he was sexually abusive today. So I'm at least like in the long term. I'm glad to have that retracted because that never made sense to me. It's also interesting Alex and Immediately really compound. Because obviously, this season, we've talked about how we really liked. Cause backstory, we were kind of here for him, like walking on the family, and like, living is real life. But then now, he has to go to jail. And I guess it's only odd because we were under the impression. That

56:35 Jules was the only one that was accidentally underage. We did not you and I collectively did not understand that he was, I mean, that's multiple people for I understand. I understand. But to have that. Yeah, we don't know that there's more. Oh, I was thinking like, there's definitely more because, like, just tools. And you know why I was, you know, what, there is thinking that because he gave Jewels the disk. Well said, this isn't gonna come to light and give me a see you. But I here's what I think on this

57:05 is like, you know, we don't know that there's more but he is still committed. The crime of like unlawfully without permission recording like sex. One count your right ball, which I am. Relatively certain is against the law. Not 100%, but like 99% sure. That's it. Yeah, so, I mean, he did, he can, he is still in trouble. I think it is. If you wanted to press charges, meaning, if you found out, you could press charges. The jewels is definitely like, you know, legal. So

57:35 yeah, I mean, he's in trouble, like no matter what, but I would be surprised if there were a bunch more miners in those tapes because there was never any evidence that he He was intentionally going for minors. I cow cows going to look. Yeah. What next season, we're going to be dealing with Cal and jail, like fucking crazy. Nate's, completely, like tether, untethered from anything. I know, it sucks. I hope I want to see both of them in orange jumpsuits Lively. I want to see me in the fucking grave

58:05 at this point. I mean, we can't Overlook. It is a bummer, because we've grown to like call the season, but we can't Overlook if that really is the case. Meaning if Only was videoing all these like underage people. Like that's I mean, either way, we know he was under he was view. I'm sorry, either way. We know he was videotaping people without their consent, which is definitely very fucked up. So, so, what I will say is, I do I mean this, I don't care if I get roasted, I did not know that he was videoing everyone with other consent.

58:36 I thought Jules was like, a weird at all case. I understand. But I thought those people were down like, no, I don't think he, I mean, Why would he make an exception for Jules? I don't know. She was the same as everybody else thing. I know you've, I don't know. And I also did it. The reason I think Jules was the only under age is because once he finds out at the carnival that shows his underage. It's like this big like. Yeah, I think she's the only underage but he was videoing, everybody without their consent also. Oh my God, I'm sorry, which is here. Did you hear my phone Buzz? That was Veronica.

59:06 Taylor, literally, do you having us? Yo, what's up, girl? Anyway, live live, d'ya know, I know but that was I'm just being honest, she did not suggest just now. So that's hot. We'll just do a couple Hearts. That's sweet. Maybe we can get on the Pod. So I think after that, we move into prolonged. Oh, I got a lot to say about that. Really goes into depth on ruin Lexi's relationship even more so than we got last week.

59:36 Yes, I wrote ruse speech highlights in my notes because I have a lot to say about this funeral speech. I hate us, baby. Give me the notes. I got. So, yeah, this is where page start shedding, many tears. I as we all know, if you listen to season one of our podcast, I always get the most emotional when it comes to ruin her relationship with her father, obviously, because I lost my daughter on the same age.

1:00:06 She did. So it's very relatable. I'm not an addict. And I didn't go her route, but I think I did things. Similarly. And a similar pattern sheet, it is not what drives. So, it's highly relatable and I think a lot of our listeners out there that have gone through the trauma of losing, their dad can relate as well. I mean, this must trigger something to the sure. Triggered me over here, like, sobbing Alice is like, ashram, like noru. I'm just gonna, they're both equally

1:00:36 sad, but child died page. I don't know. But I did put like a couple serious nuts. About her speech that like, It resonated with me, because they just hit me, like, so directly with my personal experience of losing my dad, which was she said, my first thought, was this feels like a movie, Alex knows. This. I've told him many times when my dad passed away. Do I, not always say that but like every moment, it's like a still shot. It's like you black out so much of trauma,

1:01:06 but you also like, at the same time simultaneously, remember certain parts of it. So specifically down to like, The person might be wearing that reacted to my dad dying, right? How they reacted what they said. I mean, just every little weird things. We're details. Like I remember like the hot with the hospital looked like but I don't remember like my dad's funeral. It's weird. I just I remember certain things so detailed. So I really like appreciated the attention to detail

1:01:36 on this and how Roo. Keep her legs talking about with like the EMTs and stuff. Yes. Yes. I just the description of losing her father and what that looked like in real time was just so relatable for me. Yeah, and I'm sure for many others out there and I think that's yet another huge reason. I fell in love with you for you in the first place. And why are you even do this? Podcast is season one touch me like so deeply with her like

1:02:07 the whole end scene. Of the season finale, season one was like. So impactful for me because you go through the whole show thing. It's just this fun High School show and then you're like, holy shit. The show is depth. Now, we've got season 2 and you're like, yeah. Yes, like the show. We've got some fucking debt so that I wrote, she wrote. It didn't feel real. This is it, this is the part where the character never recovers the part where life takes them down. This is a scene that scars her forever. She's obviously referring to herself,

1:02:37 but I had a, I got super choked up. I can barely talk about it. Now. It's a tough topic because I just so heavily like relate to that. I feel like she was reading my fucking speech that I gave in my dad's funeral like sincerely. Like, I mean that, like she said, it so perfectly. This is the part where the character never recovers. I feel like people who go through deaths of a parent or anyone in their life. It is a time where you do, like literally have that thought in the moment, meaning

1:03:08 when You lose someone. Sure years from now. You might go. Oh, I've come so far. Things are a lot better. I feel blah, blah, blah, but, like, in the moment, you truly feel like you're not going to recover and some people don't recover. So that's what. Yeah, I was going to say that. Like, I was so fortunate that I was, it's not dramatic or no. She's a feel. Something like that moment. Some people really don't. So it's well, here's an example of that meeting. We don't know yet is future still lies ahead.

1:03:38 But we know that she's having a tough time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A very tough time and I agreed upon. I think that part just like her whole speech. Just once again shows you like that. She's still a kid and so many ways. Meaning when you lose someone that young when you're that young, it's you don't really like you grow up in some ways. But you also lose a lot of your childhood and you have to you're expected to mature really. Us and kind of move on with life, but it's too tough. Meaning,

1:04:08 like some people move on, they mature, they go through life, which is kind of what I did. Like, I grew up really fast other people. They're like just stay. Hmm. They just stay there and they don't, it's not about growing up, but they just are still very childlike and I feel like that's what happened to ruin. It, just breaks my heart watching her, like, in that scene, give her speech because you realize, she really just had such a fucked-up, childhood losing her dad. Yeah. It's sad. That's very accurate. I mean, you either, I think

1:04:38 you kind of either end up in this position of like survival wanted growth or of like accelerated development. And I mean, I'm no expert but it doesn't seem like there's much middle ground. It seems like people generally handle situations like that in one of those two ways and neither are good. No, it's also really what I learned when I lost my dad is, it's really important who you have around, dude. Nighttime and Rue if you think about it,

1:05:09 it's not that she didn't have anyone supportive. But she only, she had her mom who's dealing with losing her husband and now is a single mom and Gia who's like a literal child. A silly family shot. Yeah. She's kinda ice. We don't, I mean, I like she had a good support system. But even I think Rue had some there was some ass that was going to be drawn to the the drug life. No matter what I think. Oh, really? I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think any like, Particular social support system at that time. Really could have kept her out of

1:05:39 it. Like, well more family around was this was going to do it. I mean she had an incredibly supportive best friend. She had a great mom, and a great sister. Yeah. Your dad's death is what brought this on, I don't know if she'd be an attic without it. I think she wasn't that speech, but I mean, I don't think anything. After post her dad's death, could have really mitigated her drug addiction. Oh great, a great. I mean, I agree. Maybe there's some like, weird Miracle scenario where she's gone. Dream grandma. That leg is part of this world and like really

1:06:09 keeps her out of that. But like for the most part, it seems like that was kind of like destined to to be her her future at least for some time. Yeah, 100%. I just think this, her whole like speech was super impactful for me to hear because I don't know. It's just rare that good a speech. Well, it's rare. I'll say like once again, Sam does such a good job. It's so rare that shows. Tell

1:06:39 the story and show it in this way. That's very raw, real. Hmm. There's like you said, it's not cheesy. I just feel like shows just Butcher of these moments. I think worst. I've seen some films that do it. Well, but TV shows for teenagers, not so much. Yeah. Typically, this is not handled in the most realistic way, because they're realistic way, isn't very sexy. No. And there is Nick, wey looks a lot like this, you know, well, no, it smells. Sometimes shared

1:07:09 trauma and degraded family relationships. And yeah, the shit. When you know this about me I watch I mean I watch so much TV. I have my whole life, like, literally any change to the comes out. I'm on it bad or good? I can say Euphoria so far. My lifetime is the only show I have ever been able to relate to, in terms of like, losing my dad. So kind of a personal moment for me that even say that, but that's true. That's true. Italy, how I feel.

1:07:39 Then she wrote her, she said to Lexi, which I love this moment of Lexi Andrew, when they get together and hang out and Lexi's room. It's just like post play. Yeah. I think it's just once again. Something we don't see too often to characters that we love bonding over trauma, like really really talking about it. Like real people would not in a Cheesy way and I love that moment for them and I Also is this about me because

1:08:09 this is also very personal but I like when Rue said, people used to save my dad died for a reason. That shit used to really piss me off. She said she wanted to strangle them. That was like my biggest formal thing to say horrible thing to say, bad timing. Nice. That like she finds a way to like twist that into something that is accurate, which is a, you have to find the reason. Like I don't yeah, that's wrong. And she's I wrote that down. She said, I think what they're actually saying is you have to give it a reason. Yes,

1:08:39 and you're right. People don't know what to say to which it is offering to be more articulate or like shut your mouth because saying, it was for a reason is horrible. I mean, that's just one that's just hurtful possibly say to someone at that time in their life. So when I grab the only thing you have to offer up you can just shut the fuck up and stay. Well. I was raised Mormon and everyone would say weird shit like, oh your dad has a mission with Jesus in heaven. It's like yeah, he's awful from news or base like, you know getting his own place. Looks like

1:09:10 but people would really say that to me and it was so hurtful because at the time I was ruse age, I was a child and it's hard to fucking hear that. When you're like your darkest moments. The last fucking thing, you want to hear is there's a reason why your dad died. It's like so dark and awful. So I thought I was like impactful that brought that up because I hope other people like myself could relate in that moment and feel like validated in that anger because I think I was shamed a lot for it growing up. It was like Like, you know, like have manners

1:09:40 like be nice. People just don't know what to say. And here's what I'll say is sure but also your validated and being angry. If you ever feel that way after losing a parent because it's such a hard. Pasa navigate. I'm like, I'm sorry, but there are times in your life when it's just not about them. Like they can get over. Whatever heard feelings they have from you being pissed about their bullshit statements. Like you on the other hand are going through like one of the most emotionally traumatizing things. Anyone can go through. The song fucking about them in that moment,

1:10:10 totally. But I just want to say that I've met care for like being polite to those people at that time, whatever. So, I just think all the time, whenever I watch Euphoria, I've always said, that's why I love it. There's so much that I can relate to, and it as much as it's dark. I relate to the dark shit. So, it makes me feel like good. It makes me, oddly feel good inside because it's like, oh my God, it's like a breath of fresh air, like, other people feel this way. What like they want. To strangle people that come up to them and say, your dad

1:10:40 died for a reason. I'm like, fuck Alec. I feel the same. So I hope that anyone else out there. That's gone through that. Could like it a little, you know, a little hug out of that like really, really brought that to light in a really like classy way. Yeah, I agree her and like, see I should not cancel out Lexie. Yeah, Lexie to be has also gone through like a loss. It's not the same loss but it is it's similar significant to father is off. Who knows where and He expressed that every

1:11:10 day. She fears getting like every time the phone rings. She fears that it's the call that like her dad's dead, you know, and which no comes Herring, but what's worse? Yeah, that's like anxiety daily, you know verse like, yeah, I don't want to. I'm not gonna comment like was no hours. I can't even imagine, which is worse or not. I hope I never find out but it is undeniably like awful and horrible like way to have to live and it's very much a loss. So she does have like a common ground that She can commiserate with through on

1:11:42 which is awful, like you hate seeing that for Lexi because we've just we've seen such a great like episode with her really, just being so vulnerable and showing us so much more of what she's going through and that part made me really sad. She's clearly really going through it. We don't get to like see that. You know, we just see the Bob Ross and like the funny parts of Lexi, but it's like she's having to do with like being scared, her in the phone ring. Like, totally. That's awful. You don't wish that on any like, like I said, I keep saying, child,

1:12:12 but it's true. Like, even though they're in high school yourself. I can try it. My school. It's sad. I thought it was nice that they planted the seeds through this whole conversation and episode especially with root right through having, like a desire to turn her life into some form of art as well. They make a point like, in the post episode, like, Like little little thing they do to point out that like this is based on like

1:12:42 Sam's life and how he turned like his experiences into this show and they really plant the seeds here with Ruby being like. So like a maze that Lexie was able to turn like her life experience and her trauma and stuff into this. Play that roof found. So like impactful and beautiful and meaningful to her. Oh, yeah. Disagree people disagree is we both like you have the worst Theory ever Alex? He's like bitch. You better be joking. Richard.

1:13:15 I am be at like, you know, no, that's actually really cute. Gives you a seed planted that it seems. It seems like Rue has some kind of like fire under her ass after this episode, to do something similar. And it's because of the impact that Lexi's Playmate on her. And she sees like, wow, like she took all this. They'll shit that's happened to her and turned it into something so meaningful. And it seems like she She comes away from that feeling, like she could do the same and has some little bit, hope some sort of motivation to do that moving forward.

1:13:45 That's cool that you picked out the the part about Sam creating new phoria. That's a good parallel. I would never have thought of it. That way. I was thinking the same thing. You said though. We're she has like a fire under her ass and even when she walks out of the place. She's got like a certain walk to her that you're hoping. Maybe this means she's, you know, gonna try something new next season instead of just drugs and you know for some people like, Thing that can bring you out of like this life really is Art. Not for everybody, but for some people and yeah, it gives

1:14:15 like a. It's a little bit of like maybe this is what season 3 can be, is like Rue exploring that to some degree. She clearly has artistic people in her life that could be supportive and yeah lighting and certain ways and and maybe that's a little bit of what we're going to see from her in the future. I don't know unless is the best friend you could ever have. I mean, she's just a shining star, of course. Great to see, great to see them together. Oh, no, and I think we will get more time for sex that shortly after this. They're gonna have to find

1:14:45 out about Fez if they haven't already. I don't, we don't even know, like, well, this is taking place. We really don't know. I also, like, ruse, leaning up against that like, dollhouse weird dresser that we were talking about. Yeah. I kept looking at that. What does that mean? It means the bathroom. I think we really. Why is that on that? That's so weird. All right, but prop is cool though. I really like that. Don't know. I do like the whole thing. Yeah, I don't even know what it is. But I like it guessing. It's like a piece that you see that was supposed to go on a bath and a bathroom.

1:15:15 We were. But also, where's Cassie living at The Sire? Obviously, not a boughs but not only neither, she could be on a walk. Maybe she's in the backyard looking for those kitchen knives. I mean, there's no bear that at this point in time. So Lexi, he's gone. That was really funny. But when Rue said, would it be funny if Cassie like the play? More than me or something. She was like, I don't like that because the opposite is Kathy likes, the play and I hate it. Yeah,

1:15:46 my far. Like objectionably like a worse result? Totally horrible. Hey, and I think it meant so much to like, see to hear from you directly like this that at the play meant so much to her because you can tell that Lexie really did Center a lot of the play and it was called our life. But like it was a lot around rou like and their friendship. I feel It was like which is why I thought Cassie was such a bitch and annoying to make it all about her because it's like you dumbass. This is honestly mostly about

1:16:16 like, oh, I know the friend group and like ruin what she went. You know, I don't know. It just wasn't all about her and take a little, she can't take a little heat, a little critique know and what wasn't a little could take a little Stone Foolery, you know, a little gesturing. It's like, Lexie, Lexie gets the gestures pass. You know, she yeah, she's in the position where she's allowed to laugh. Lampoon the king and get away with it total as he's training collar on that shit. It's like no, I agree. Sorry sweetie. Yeah, deal with it.

1:16:46 But such a tender moment. So great for ruin, Lexi. Love It. Rexy. Let's see it season 3 Rexy. Yeah, and I mean, he certainly seems like their friendship is like rekindle and will be a significant part of the next season and then we move on to ruse other, you know, major relationship with Google's. I don't like this one as much. What about you, Alex? I don't like this one as much because I am, I, I have thoughts who wants to go first, then. Go

1:17:17 go for it. I said, I really wrote down. So I wrote down. I'm not kidding you in my drunken little notes Here on my notepad. I said ruined Jules moment, makes me so sad, but I understand because and I put a bunch of sad faces look, but I understand that place out. Face. And the reason I say understand that you're taking notes with like Emoji. I had tubes that. That's just how I express myself. Yeah. So when I

1:17:47 say what I mean by that is I guess I am once again naive, I thought maybe in this moment Rue and Jules would have some sort of romantic rekindle and I'd walk away from this going. Thank God. Like they're still together because I'm such a rule Stan. But oddly enough, a part of me was like, I don't know though. The look back to Elliot was a little too like she seems not interested. I don't want to put that

1:18:17 out there because I think her Nellie are in a good place. Meaning they had that moment and it was very tender. I don't think it was romantic. But apartment think she kind of is crushing on only I'm going to put it into the Universe. I thought that looked back was a little bit like I don't know, he did that had not and when you head nod, someone it's kind of flirtatious. So, and she kind of looked like a little like, like happy about it, but I'm not saying like, that's for sure. I'm just saying a part of me. That was like, so she's over Jewels, like, what's next?

1:18:47 I don't know. Maybe, I'll yeah, but let me finish that, right. All I will say is, I'm heartbroken, when she kisses jewels on the forehead. I'm sorry, but if you kiss, someone on the forehead, you're done. My thoughts were That's like the sign of a breakup not forever, not rules is done forever, but for now and moving into season 3, I think they will be on a break. Hmm. Well, well, they are should pretty much says it. Yeah, I agree with that much because on the forehead is never a good thing.

1:19:19 I don't know. That's like what you did here sibling like, well, I guess if I kissed on your Photon, walked away you'd be like, what? I don't know, the way I see it. At this point, I mean, obviously the big question is like, is this the end of like of rules rules and no, I think I refused it remains to be seen, but I think that this step means that it is the end for now. Not, I am not going to say long-term,

1:19:49 but I think that this episode leaves us on like a surprisingly, like hopeful note about Roux and for her right now, that means focusing on herself, like it's likely, that's why I wrote, I understand Masada mode. Is cuz I think she's going for Elliot. I think that was like very like friendly. Like we have peace. Don't put it like that. I thought I just had a little feeling, that's not why. I said, the reason I put I understand what stop is is because I understand that she has to make room for herself in this tough time. Yeah. I think it's

1:20:19 the way I read. All of this is that like with Elliot like it's cool and they're probably, I think they're probably going to go different directions, but maybe not, maybe a friendship will persist, but I didn't really read much like romance. In that personally, the thing with Jules I read very much as like Ruiz. Like just doesn't have the space or the emotions. Yeah. Emotional capacity to like be involved with this in any way at this time and she has enough which is a bummer because room was the one all in the beginning and wanted it. But then I like that. She said,

1:20:50 I wrote down, she thinks she was too high for most of the relationship. Yeah. I mean, I think that she has like you, like we said, she I think she really needs. Time to like tell ya, but then you're not tragic. That is there's little for the moment and then isn't really like emotionally. Does she just doesn't have the space to be emotionally invested in Jewels right now, which is fine. But can we think of how tragic that is for Jewels for a second because awful for Jewels. She

1:21:20 was sober through their whole relationship and this was a very real moment. So I guess that's where I felt sad. But not just that she really that's it. They both kind of talk about each other like being their first love. So that's really sad. Like your first love not to her face but admits out loud in the narration that she's was high for most of it. And she hopes Jewels will forgive her for that. I thought that was so sad because I'm like

1:21:50 the part of page that just like loves the rules relationship. That broke my heart to hear because it's like I knew it deep down but hearing it out. Loud is really tough because you I believe the fantasy, right? The Fantastical part of euphoria that paints, this romance is perfect and fantasy, and and I still think it's possible. Like, I mean, if there's one thing this show does, it's subvert expectations like yeah, season is really shown us that I don't think

1:22:20 that anyone expected the finale of season one to end on a hopeful sober moment for Roo. No, by any means. So the nose of the says yeah, I mean I think that but yeah it is this finale was probably like not generally what the whole season generally was not what people expected. I think it's sidelined a lot of stories. People thought would be front and center. It brought other stories to the Forefront. It did all kinds of things

1:22:50 that we're not. Yeah, what everyone was expect. Focus on characters. We never thought would be amazing but light like exceptionally well, so when I think about what's next, it's like, who knows? As I agree, but like yeah, I mean, who thought this episode who thought that season two is going to end on a high note for Roo of like sobriety. She's like not only in that moment, but she's like I stayed sober for the rest of the school year because it was just too hard to do anything else. Let's look ahead. Yeah, right. Yeah. Some like implication

1:23:20 of like future events. So I think that there is still hope for them in the future, but very it will all end all unlike the recap and keep talking but I did want to know what she says at the very ends. I thought it was impactful and I just liked how the episode literally ended in the script, which is she said, I don't know if this feeling will last forever, but I am trying. I remember Ali once said, the thought of maybe being a good person, is

1:23:50 what keeps me trying to be a good person. Maybe there's something to that. That's how the episode ons I bought. The thought of maybe being a good person is what keeps me trying to be a good person? That's impactful, way to end that / so that everyone can relate to that drug. Addicts are not see them, just the possibility of being a good person like that has to be on the table for her as even like a possibility for her to try to be good. And

1:24:21 yes, I think so much of this episode was about Roo coming to like the conclusion that she needs to and do it for herself. Like there was the yeah. With Cassie's. I think the, the part about Cassie's dad was very telling where ruses, you know, like he fails every time because he's trying to be better for you, but not for himself and that's never gonna work. And that's what she's been trying to do. Sure Jules for her family, better for jewels. And for Gia and her mom. Yeah, and obviously it's not working. I'll leave

1:24:51 this episode. With some feeling of like trying to be good for herself. And that's the only way that she's ever going to achieve any success. And as we know that's always the hardest part with anything in life, not just drugs. Of course, it's always hard to love yourself and treat yourself. How you would treat your best friends and your family. It's a tough. Yeah. That was a bad guy. I think that was like the big. One of the biggest takeaways from this episode is that shift for real, which is able to view her in a different light through Lexi's

1:25:22 play. Able to have more like empathy for herself. Yes. Being able to go forward like maybe doing it for her instead of four other people giving rubra chance to see herself as a human who experienced intense trauma rather than seeing herself as bad person who does drugs. Yeah, very different things. Yeah. So just so deep. I mean another will say is

1:25:52 on that note of Just ending so beautifully, I think all too often as much as we talk about it. I tend to forget that this is Sam's story and I think he just really, I just could give him all the props in the world. This is not like it easy tale to tell and he just does it in such a beautiful way. That really like this is so captivating. It's clearly caught fucking everyone in the world. Everyone's Watching Euphoria. I mean, it's been the

1:26:22 number one trending thing. Twitter this entire season. It's crazy how much the audience has grown? So I just think it's beautiful. Like you said, I didn't even draw that parallel, but it's cool that someone who literally in real life, suffered so much as able to create something that's like being viewed by the whole fucking world and like loved by the world. It's cool. Yeah. It's like so cheesy because I'm drinking I'm drunk, but I'm like thinking about what you said and I'm like, wow, like Sam was feel so proud. He should at least

1:26:52 I hope he does. Proud of himself like for not only like overcoming addiction but making like such a fucking awesome show that we like are really making a podcast about, it's crazy. Yeah, absolutely not. So I think a good way to wrap up would be if we reflect back on the title at the end of this episode and it's kind of this Ode to to mad love and true love and whatnot. Like who do we think that that was directed towards based on

1:27:22 the episode? True love. And my love will just, you know, like those statements about like, it was this Defiance of the idea that love roads over time, and this relay code to like protons lover. I hope not. Me and Cassie ha ha ha. Well, I mean, more, in terms of like Rue, like, I guess I'm thinking about it like, is this scene is like a sign of like Future, Hope for the ruined Jewels relationship.

1:27:52 I think probably. Not you could view it as the love between like Rue and Lexi like a true friendship type of love and what s because of the play and like them rekindling, I could be impactful or thing. You can view it the way I guess. I would probably most interpret it as like a love swords like oneself like a tree like self-love, which it seems like Rue is like growing towards that place by the end of the episode.

1:28:23 That's good. I like that. Let's stick with that covering like some kind of like new, like, everything and love herself, which will be instrumental in her, like, moving forward in life. If she does. And it seems like given the ambiguity of the Rue Jewels relationship. Maybe it's not. So, like surface level that it's just about like their undying love. We don't really know where they're going to go and maybe at this point. It's just about real loving herself. I hope so. I'd be interested in your thoughts a lot. No, I

1:28:53 Title, I mean sure I'm sure the titles like so yeah. Specific for a reason. No, I agree. I don't know if I'd pick anything. Other than that. I think you put it perfectly. I hope it's, I really hope it's real with herself. That's the ideal situation. I mean, on the other hand, the moon Jewels, those literal reference to an Ode to someone's lover. So yeah, you some kind of like hopeful. I hope its financial future for Rune Jewels. Yeah. I I like you think that we're not done with

1:29:23 Angels, I think there is room for season 3 to be a little more attention. I think the whole Elliot triangle is still left a little unsaid meaning like who knows jewels and Elliott might still have some kind of I don't know not relationship, but they might be driven more toward each other because of ruin her. Not really being together anymore and they were like they had some chemistry who know, so I just think there's a lot of put like, you know,

1:29:53 I don't see that being a forever thing. I'm just the row. What do you call a? The Romantic in me is like there just has to be rules. It's gotta be rules or else, you know, but that's also like a writer die rules. No matter what. Wow. So I'm going to go with its route with herself. I like that idea. Cool. I really do and I want what's best for Rocha. So I saw a funny tweet, but it was like funny, but cute. But they were like, we love ruined. She's like clean and

1:30:23 sober. Look at her and it was like, a picture of her, like smiling. And she was all like, makeup off. Like, all right, I don't, but I was like me, too. I love like a clean rooms with like loves a queen. I love a clean room clean, not lean clean, a clean. Like so very, I clean Queen. I love butter alone. Queen Queen, We love it. I did someone Shams before we like going to superlatives. We're talking about that. I know gosh,

1:30:54 but what a good episode. Oh, I was going to ask you before we do superlatives. I already know the answer, but Better finale season one or season two. Season 2. I like everything about season 2 better than season one every single episode. I like 20 times more except maybe episode 2. The super weak one. As far as now, I feel like everything I say is

1:31:25 just me, just talking drunkenly, but I already said this at last week. I think season one for me, is so nostalgic because it was so impactful. It was so new and I know it sounds very hipster of me, but it's like not everyone was like involved, it felt more personal because like it wasn't the whole world watching. It was more of a niche group, loving Euphoria. It's now become like, Who the fuck isn't watching Euphoria. So I just hold a special place in my heart

1:31:55 for season one. So yeah, and the finale caught me off guard. And season one. It was like, such a wow moment. This was a just as good meaning equal but season one just has a tiny bit more for Nostalgia. For me. That's interesting in general. I guess. This is a good moment to capture. What are your your Reflections on season two? I think my mazal more obvious intense. How do you feel about yours? Are probably a yeah different than yours.

1:32:26 I think. Like I said, season one was to most people more lighthearted this for that. If anything for me, it was opposite. It was like dark. And just as intense as this season, not intense in the action, what's actually going on. Intense emotionally is what I'm getting at. Like, I like I told you, this was the first show I've ever seen. And I really mean this. So honestly the first show I have ever related to personally in terms of like dealing with my dad's death. So seeing that

1:32:56 on screen was like me, watching Lexi's play. It was like, ah, this is scary. I don't like this but I love it. Does that make sense? Like I couldn't not watch, it was so intriguing and different and captivating. So I don't know. But goddamn, see them to is just fucking fantastic. I mean, season 2 is like Academy Award. And winning content, so I would have to say logically season, two is the better season. My

1:33:26 brain says he's into my heart, says season one. That's, I'm gonna go with well said, you know, fair enough. What about you? Obviously, I mean, I think my thoughts are far more obvious throughout the whole season season 1, but why, I know they're obvious but like what are the most specific points in why I guess like, I think like part of what I said earlier, season 2 subverted One of my biggest concerns was that it would follow Traditional High School show plot lines, but try to be some kind of like elevated

1:33:56 version of that and season 21 in a completely different direction and really did away with a lot of the like High School drama. I think the big one was like obviously the Maddie Cassie thing and that didn't bother me in. Anyway, it was not, it wasn't done in like the classic like, you know, teen soap style know and there was A lot more going on the Rue Jules relationship went in ways. I didn't expect and was well, handled and didn't

1:34:27 just become some like prolonged. Will they won't they type thing? So also was not the focus at all this season like really like yeah listen ship was not but not in a bad way, but it just wasn't the focal point. Yeah. And characters. I traditionally like less or sidelined more Walter characters. I really resonated with and season one word. I'm like more primary. So I enjoyed that. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's wonderful. I didn't think of that. It's generally, just, it just had

1:34:57 more going on for me plot wise. It was the stakes were higher and it was done. Well, it was far more experimental. We got ya, all the greatness of like the season 1, like we're decides and like little like fun short sequences anime, sequences and detective Roux. And all that was just done, bigger and better and see. Season 2. Which I loved. I mean, the whole the last two episodes were, like, centered around like a play. Like, yeah, you know, very

1:35:27 mad. Not what I was expecting. I also feel like you and I had so many thoughts during quarantine and the whole like, covid experience you and I were like, gosh, is this going to make season to worse? Because Sam might be like over analyzing every little thing because that's what you would do, right? As a director. You might go. I don't know if that's good. Let's go. I'm sure. It and I will look of it better to the look of season one very as much as I

1:35:57 can get down. On some neon. It was kind of very like cold and a little dreary season 2 was very warm, very like golden foam, a lot of laughs film, what it like golden Hues, which I appreciated the The more like old neon kind of wears on me over time, it kind of feel it. Can you feel a little depressing? Yeah. I mean, the whole shows depressing, but I liked that in this season, at least the Depression was golden, hue. Instead of people,

1:36:28 cold and icy. We both also have to admit that the acting was extremely elevated, as well. I think that's something else to point out and season two. It seems like everyone like fucking up their game like, yep, where Can the only place where I can find fault is that I think the I did miss a little bit that season 1. The music was stacked like, every episode was like 10:10, like killer songs. Yes. I missed out on that a little bit and this season, and

1:36:58 I also may be missed out on the style a little bit in the season, even though I didn't love all of it. The big like, flashy, like party style being so present season 1 was very fun. And this season was a little more subdued naturally because Of the storylines, but totally the other thing I was going to say, though, is, maybe you agree or disagree, but I was gonna say, I think Labyrinth score though in this was better. I thought like the orchestra throughout this entire season finale was beautiful. I call the play because you have to remember that's all Labyrinth, all

1:37:28 the like, well, not all of it. Some of those are. But we spend the plan a lot of that was his. Yeah. Yeah. And much of it. I'm saying, it's not like you always joke, you don't love, which is fine. An acquired taste but you don't love the all like, what? Yeah, like you don't like the gospel he stuff. So I thought a lot of his was a lot more subdued this season. I'm kind of ambivalent on that front. You thought it was that like religion was Hardcore like very Labyrinth heavy. Like every song was

1:37:59 I found it similar and not really? Yeah. Because it was such a more subdued season. You barely ever heard all the like whoop, like doesn't happen as often. Yeah. All right. There's a little more. Calm. Well, anyhow, there we go. Shall we, shall we have this approach, and, or superlatives and close out the last episode of season 2. Okay. I know I'm dragging on our conversations because I don't want to beat our superlatives, and we got our change our minds and then this shit is over.

1:38:30 So, let's go. Let's go. Best dressed and worst dressed for me. They're just holdovers from last week. It's just pheasant Kasi. Again. We don't really get much news. I said man, you know if you feel otherwise I said Marilla. Nails. When she put the coke on her, healing was like healing or like whatever scar I liked her nails and her like puke green, like onesie and she had the little, how do you pronounce the designer? She had the xhaka massage a community of the tiny green bad, but not sure what I'm pretty sure. I'm pronouncing that right. So please call me Uncle

1:39:00 more n cheese if I'm pronouncing Jaco mu Rong. It was like the Shrek green Vibes. I just I liked it and I thought her makeup was great. So I thought that whole like outfit was really good. So I was mine. We're Just are you Kathy? You should like the Joker. All right. So, how about your Bey? Maya Bay, honestly, I know who you're going to pick probably. But I said, God, I put three apeture a true and Faye, but I said, roofer, starting the Lexi chant. I thought that was a very like heroic moment.

1:39:30 Yeah. I really had a hard time choosing one. I mean, there's room for a lot of reasons, Faye for the the hook up with the like even that doesn't amount to much. I think my ultimate choice is Fez because he was at a drop like ready to do anything and everything to take the she said that she was ready to take the heat for the whole thing. You didn't get the chance, but he was about to both attend Lexi, sweet play and then take the heat for the for the mouse murder to protect ashtray. Even though he didn't

1:40:00 get the chance. I'll show just like I hadn't obviously, you know, ashtray. Well, that was Grace took a can take a pig with. I mean, I don't know if it's Grace shooting someone in the chat. But you know where you swat. It's fine. It's that, pisode I said, oh we are something. I said beef run to the the big purple. Dirty Rapp a sir. This is why I don't drink this much Cooks. Okay, Isaac a seed. Uh, she's like I got Nate this episode.

1:40:31 I think it's utterly. I think it's utterly Petty and distasteful that he's sending Cal up as if he is in the moral High Ground given his Is sure s despicable disgusting crimes that are just as bad. If not worse than anything, Kyle's overdone for him to try to act like he has some kind of moral superiority in this situation. I found particularly disgusting. That's a good point. I just, I didn't put Cassie for obvious reasons. I put

1:41:01 for particularly, putting Lexi down, her highest moment. Yeah, thought it was low as fuck and she just should have like, save that for like an at-home fight and not a cosseted. Humiliated her in front of the school. He has no sense. But yeah, she's alright, Class Clown. I think we can probably both agree on us. A beautiful TV. She only gets like five seconds of screen time, but she uses it. Well, she spits out a great one liner and then takes a giant puff on the jewel. So that was a cool shot. I just love everything about

1:41:31 it. Okay, cool. And then the song. What do you got? I said How's they were laughing? I actually mean it. I love the That song, it's Labyrinth ins and death, but the title has not yet been released because we're literally recording this five minutes after we watched the episode. So I jokingly said the song is called, Hey, Lord, because they say that the most hey, Lord. Hey, Lord, you listen here. Hey, Lord, I so I'm calling

1:42:01 it. Hey, Lord, and if tomorrow it's called something else, I don't know. Fuck it. Roast me online. Give us all the reviews. My technical choice is Can't Get You Out of My Head by Kylie Minogue only because it's so great, but a very close second but was Moon. Okay, Grita. Amore by ennio morricone, who is like, probably my favorite composer. He's very famous for his spaghetti western scores, but I think his

1:42:31 non spaghetti western scores are just as good if not better, especially danger diabolic, but this one is from a movie called The Love sir. Or, or the the literal translation from Italian is, let's say, an evening for dinner, which is a movie about like five, like five Rich, fancy people like boning each other because they're bored. But the title of the song, translated to English means

1:43:01 one who shouts love and it's a very I found it theatrical not in, like, the big dramatic way, but in like, literally like it's Feels like a song that should be played during a play, which it was perfect. Very strings, heavy very pretty great song. So even though kinky out of my head is unbeatable. This is also a great, a great use of this sort of a particularly good and that's a deep cut. Like,

1:43:31 I mean, I listen I love this guy wasn't all his scores. I've never even like heard of this movie. This is like some like, you know, aren't house Italian shit from the late. Is I think it's cool. It's like, you know, whatever. But great song. Amazing beautiful. Wow. I can't believe that's the end of superlatives for season 2. That's it. All we have left is and reminds register my I'll cheers to that Chandra fucking minds. I'll start right? Hey, you know, a big cheer.

1:44:01 So anyone that can change our minds anyone that can and has changed our minds. Yeah. Is it happened? And I respect it happens all the time. What this one? Yeah, we're very important. My mind changes. All hey, Leslie was eating ice cream from a small white bowl last episode. Yeah. I don't know why, that's

1:44:36 what else we got? A really cool email. I'm just going to read it and this is all It's the last episode. Yes. So high, just a note regarding neat looking in the mirror. It is a reference to the painting. And when they say looking in the mirror, they mean, when he's looking cool at the back of it himself in the mirror. Yes. It is a reference to the painting, not to be reproduced by French painter Magritte. The surrealist painting is a portrait of a friend on Magritte.

1:45:07 The poet ever James. The book on the mantle is a copy of a Edgar Allan. Poe's The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym. This goes well with The Surreal dreamlike horror slash David Lynch. He Vibe. But also to me it's strongly refers to needs fear of looking at his real self. It's been nice listening to you from Tel Aviv. So usually a perfect M Mi bitch, even though it's not really change their minds. It's I so appreciate the right in

1:45:37 and that's something I should have caught given that. There have been other references to Throughout the season but absolutely right. Well said and you know, continuing the surrealist and this week's episode was tied to Andre Raton and surrealism. So great call. Clearly there was a some significant influence for Sam throughout the season to include so many references to various surrealist pieces. Yeah, and yeah, absolutely. 100%

1:46:07 right amazing. The detail. And they also included an image. Of the painting, which I thought was so cool, because I know you've seen it, and you immediately knew, but I did not. So I loved getting that. That was like a highlight. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. I call. Thank you. Okay, next change our minds. So this is I won't say name. So this person also emailed in, they said Nate Jacobs was correct on the scene being homophobic in Lexi's play.

1:46:38 No matter how terrible the person is outing. Someone to the entire school is incredibly fucked up. Lexi overheard that knee had two picks on his phone and use that in her play. Maddie called like see a quote on quote, fucking G because Maddie understood, she was adding me, as gay after hearing her. Tell Cassie about Take pics. There are many other ways Lexi could have embarrassed me in the play, the outing him and essentially making fun of him for being gay is, in fact homophobic. So that's the

1:47:08 end of that. But to be clear this person was not like commenting on us saying anything wrong. I think they were just more commentating on the fact that maybe it's not so funny. That people were saying that line was, you know, for comical purposes. I dis. I understand the point and she ate the right and very much. I disagree only because I think to the school at large, this can be understood. This is probably best understood

1:47:38 as a lampooning of the homoeroticism of high school sports of football. And don't think that this, like, big gay musical number reads is like, hey, everyone like Nate is gay. I think it reads more and like, Oh, you should all be like, oh, what needs gay. I think it reads more like, hey, the whole football team, including Nate and him as like, the most prominent member of the football team are

1:48:08 like a little, like they're them in there. Like rituals and whatnot are worthy of like, satire and lampooning. Yes, they're hyper masculine. And in their hyper-masculinity, they offer, they often like strain the like, you know, homoeroticism. It's also like they're all including Nate. Meaning the jocks in general are often at meaning in this particular fictional story. They're all bullies. Like, they're all like, The Jock like classic. But I mean,

1:48:38 the point is, it doesn't matter how badly you're saying the limit as they bully others, when they're being just as like, right? Right as like, like when he's joking, he's like, my pecs are so hard. It's like, you can't bully someone who's gay like meaning? Okay, for instance. At the party, same Jewels, same, She's A Freak. Remember, he's like, yeah, what the fuck are you doing at my party? Like calling her out and making her out to be this like crazy person. That's like, oh, come on. My

1:49:08 dude. You're like out there like rubbing your pecs during your workout. Like, you can't even like hold a knife to Jules and I think she's so weird for wearing like cool clothes, right? And being yourself, when you're looking rubbing, your backs in the locker room, like the way in which I understand are tired, which I think the high school. Nobody would understand. This is as a critique and like, you know of poking fun at of the the mail like sports. Yeah, I don't think that

1:49:38 this is generally going to be viewed as like, hey everyone look like Nate. Jacob specifically is gay. It's kind of just like hey footballs gay in general. Like this whole idea of all these dudes naked in the locker room together, like rubbing their bodies together, you know, showering together. Like pretty guy. Like, I don't think it's that, like, he's been outed, like, he's out of the closet, because of this play. And all of those intention like this extension was highlighting. Yeah,

1:50:09 the satire of high school like you said, like she's a lot more mature and smarter than that, right? She wasn't doing this to like same with her sister. I genuinely mean that like she knew this was gonna hurt feelings, but she wasn't doing this with intent to like, yeah, right. Fucking a costume. Humiliate people. It was the show like Like proper satire in high school of people who are overly conceited like her sister, you know. And like yeah, so I see I see the point but I disagree in that, I don't think that was the way it

1:50:39 would be interpreted. And if it was that way then yes. I also don't think is the way it was intended, but our listener would be right in that if that was the intent. And yes, that would be like considered offensive in a little bit. Meaning. You should never out someone in a play. That's awful. Yeah. This case. I don't think I did. It's also worth noting that to most of the school, like these, like, insane interpersonal, relationships and characters are probably, like, completely, like, obfuscated. Like, I don't think anyone, I don't think much of the school is like

1:51:09 completely in the know about whoever you wanted these characters represents a full like I'm sure like, there's plenty of people that do get it and understand the rap. Like you're talking about a school of the whole school. Like they're not all expected. And they were like these twelve main characters in The a disease, their life and who these doppelgangers represent this whole thing. Yeah. It's kind of a just regular our students for the most part. They don't know what the fuck this all represents. They just get that. It's the football team and the football teams gay like, haha. Yeah. It's a tire. It's

1:51:39 just fun. And it's fictional and it's all good. Yeah. Alright. Well, that's it. Oh shit. Well, that's it for like ginger - All right. Well, I mean, that's it for the whole season. That's it. Few balls in Champagne this episode, which is fitting for two hours of Cox had. Yeah, the cocktail. This episode was the finale. Fuck up, which is just drink tube. All over

1:52:09 my shirt here, too. That's it. Cool. Well, Jesus. Wow. Yeah. I don't really have many like words. We ended it. Well, like, that's it. Like, well, we do. You should all stay tuned. Then we are not, but I'm saying. Other than that. The recap is done. That's it. But yeah, what I will say you for hands is, although the season is over, and we just did our eighth episode recap. It's not over for that. So euphoric,

1:52:40 it's over for HBO's Euphoria, but it's not a pervert. That's a for it. We've got some really fun things planned. I don't want to say anything, especially drunkenly to give anything away. So I'll keep it kind of vague, but we absolutely. We have things planned. The season for us is not over. So stay tuned Alex and I will be posting on social media to let you know what's next. But other than that, we are done, obviously. But

1:53:10 episode Recaps. We've got some really cool shit. Yeah, or what we're not done, watch the answer. We've very soon. You're gonna have to listen to our voices for longer have to listen to me yelling over Alex. And I was fighting over opinions on your for you. It's just we're not done. Yeah, pretty much. We've got a lot more fighting to do. We have a lot more fighting to do? Good fighting though. Yeah. It's a baby. But yes, we are very excited. And

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