Special Episode Part 2: Jules - Fuck Anyone Who’s Not a Sea Blob Transcript

00:08 Fuck anyone. Who's not a see blob? The Blob of the sea.

01:01 Okay. Wow. Who this was a heavy episode where? Just like coming out of it raw. We just want the episode coming out of it. Roz. A very weird phrase but like wow. It's like yeah, I almost feel weird. Yeah, I'm very drunk, but I'm also like I just got done crying. So I'm not like hype on this episode but I am

01:31 because it was so good. I loved it personally, but let's just let's just Dive Right In. So we really get the full scope of jewels. Just like her life. Isn't this episode? What did you think? I mean Alex just first gut reactions. Like overall. I mean, I thought it was a great. I think that both of these special episodes are the probably undeniably the best episodes of euphoria.

02:01 Wow. I really doubt that they are most people's favorites because they don't encapsulate like what's commonly thought of as being very Euphoria like with the Glam and the makeup and the partying. But I think that these I think that ruined Jewels like special episodes are the Threatened and like highest quality pieces of like TV that have come out of euphoria thus far. And it also wouldn't you agree with the most, Sam levenson asked? Like I played those his, I strongly disagree with that. Wow. I was going

02:31 to say, I feel like this is his inner like film director coming out. Whereas, this is where Euphoria the other episodes in season one or more like tailored for TV, where these episodes to Me. Maybe reflect what we'll see in. Malcolm and Marie. Now, we'll see. We'll see. See, I disagree. How do you screen assassination Nation? I feel like I very much understand, Sam, Levinson's Vibe and see where that fits in and Euphoria, and I feel like it leans into like the pulpy and the extreme

03:03 interesting. And I think that especially this episode, well, both of them were amazing but like a massive shout out to Hunter for writing this episode. I thought it was fantastic. It really like I have like goosebumps you just saying that because I feel like Knocked it out of the park knocked out of the park. I mean, we saw in her interview, Jimmy Fallon that she said, she took a writing class and Shonda like Shonda Rhimes is that and I feel like it should not only did it show but I feel like

03:33 she didn't need that. Like, I feel like this was very much what Euphoria is and why people love it. Is that Sam levenson, really? Let's the cast create their characters from their own personal experiences, meaning like you chose them for a reason. Reason. And in this episode, for me. It manifested that like Hunter was chosen for a reason. Meaning like her story really, shined through Jules character now at my obviously that's not her life story. But like you could tell that it came from

04:03 like her fucking heart. Like it was clearly very raw, but like at the end of the day these were both like super Power House episodes that leaned very heavy on like just straight up like two hours was Hours of like, pure character like development like internal, like, psychology. Like that type of stuff and both episodes for the most part issue, like style and like like aggressive style. Like they're not, these are not like, stylistic

04:33 pieces of work that are out. So, like, be visually, like, flashy, or shocking or any of that like, which is appealing to, you could very easily characterized the rest of you for it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so these are like very large departures from like the Eight Episodes of before a of season one stylistically. And I think that it makes you phoria better show. And I think that these are the strongest episodes. Well, they're unlikely to be anyone's favorite. They're

05:04 probably like hands down the best. I would 100% agree. I think that you just nailed it. Euphoria is a show where even if you do you're not a super fan like you were I or you're not a fellow For I am the follows. Our podcast any basic bitch off the street. Could watch Euphoria and find a reason to like it. Whereas these two episodes. Like you said, it takes like an extra level of fandom. You have to really like love film. Love character

05:34 stories really just like it's just a whole other level. It's not like it's just a different. It appeals to a different audience and it satisfies a very different need and it's I know I'm trying to not trying to do. Sam levenson, I don't know for a fact that this is this can be chalked up to or not to his influence, but assassination Nation feels like much of euphoria and that it's like very like stylistic. Very pulpy, very referencing like film TV.

06:05 I love no, nothing - I think that stuff is as more pop. It's very appealing to me. It's very like, it's a little trashy in the good way. It's a little like, In the pan like Saucy. And he, he knows like his references and he goes really like deep, and he makes it very fun and like out there. He takes it to the lake, the extreme levels of like, what's accepted in that ramps it up, which is great. And why I like his extreme like type of shit as well.

06:36 But like we only have one other work from him to like bass are like goddesses about his influences on but that work Len like was in The Very extreme or Elmo. Of things. So these episodes are of very big departure from that. Remember. Last time we judged, we literally sat assassination was like he tried you for it and it didn't it failed. It didn't take off. It's very extreme. Yeah, but wouldn't you agree that? It's like he. Yeah, it was almost like a viking pilot who, you know, they didn't,

07:06 it didn't take off many similar teams. But also he wrote the type though, which you and I have learned. He's not the type that it's like looking for fame or for what is it? Information. It was more that like that was just a project though. That, I'm sure he thought would go. Widespread. Everyone would be like, oh my God, this is dope and it didn't and then Euphoria happened and it's kind of like an another attempt at that and it fucking flew high like it did. So yeah, I mean, again, we're just guessing but like, I doubt it like, he

07:36 is someone that's like, out to make, like the next like, big-budget look moneymaker. Like he clearly like loves his weird, like B-movie like, you No low grade. Shit and he has no qualms about putting that into his work, which is why I gravitate towards Euphoria so much because he's like, yeah, really about that. I think it says a lot about these episodes were huge departure. These episodes are nothing like that. No, so let's just go right in. So the whole episode is essentially Jewels

08:06 talking with her therapist about her experiences through this whole, you know, love triangle of her trying to deal with her High. Experience is moving to a new town going to a new high school meeting. May take a shy guy 118. She didn't know was neat her traumas with that and then also meeting Rue and I don't even know where to start. I feel like we just have to kind of break down her

08:37 therapy session and Alex, took more notes than I did. I was honestly whenever we go into watching episodes Alex's absolutely like the scholar. He Like takes notes. I'm like, I'm getting drunk and I'm enjoying this because Euphoria is just like it really is my fucking religion. So you're like the hot party girl. And I'm like the old, like I'm not the wizard. Like this. The decrepit wizard like, copying down notes, like with a fucking quill, like, in the corner. Sure, but I also feel like, you know me. I

09:07 just, I have to, I can't miss a beat like a can't-miss. Of course, of course, I'll probably watch this episode 9 times, maybe more after this, but anyways, moving Or jewels and a therapist. Where do you even want to start? I mean, I guess we start with her journey through all of this, which is that we kind of learn a lot of stuff. We did not know about Jules life. What would you say? What's your first note? Mr. Scholar? What was your very my notes go chronologically, so they're not on any order,

09:37 but I thought that it was interesting because under Shaffer gave two interviews. Right before this episode came out. We talked with Jimmy Fallon, wildly under impressive. Bob even trash job, interviewing her but she was great. She always does. She's amazing particularly bad. He was very like, low energy. Well, it was also well, you know why he seemed like he was like hi, you know why, though? Because he was awkward because he doesn't have inaudible approach. She was like, I'm looking at mental hospital. So I feel

10:07 so shitty. Yeah, and he was all like him that are very like, pause, very all the time. They're like, that was a weird match. Why was that arranged? But it's long, but I like you said, she did amazing. The yeah, she was great, but That was a weird match for them to be talking ham. He's just he wasn't ready to like me, but he's not dark enough to like handle stuff like that in a funny way, and he's very low energy. But anyways, she did that interview and then she did one with netsupport a,

10:37 or whatever. Yeah, and I found like right off the bat the start of the episode. It was almost like she was like priming us for this episode with those interviews because you get a lord song right off the bat which she mentioned. And this being like, do we have one of those? I think we're one of those albums that changed her life, you know? Yeah, and then she also in one of those interviews was talking very much about how she's someone that needs to like, constantly be like moving forward and like going and evolving. And then right off the bat

11:07 we have like what's like very much underscored in the episode but Jules talking about like going off her hormones and possibly like detransitioning or moving into, like some kind of like post like Like yeah, male or female State. What did you think about that? I was a little taken aback. I thought, I thought, okay. My thought was she's going through a lot because the therapy sessions right after it, right? All the rudrama, the train scene. And the last

11:38 season my thought was. Is she not. I'm not diminishing her feelings. I'm saying, is that a classic teenage reaction though to like, heartbreak? Like I'm done. I'm My hormones. Like, I need to figure my shit out. Or do you think it actually is a real step in? Like I say, no, I think her reasons and the way she justifies it and talks about it are like Beyond valid when I was thinking about a lot, like, well,

12:08 she was talking about there. I was getting with that. It's like, I do high school was a little traumatic, I do. But like, I think it's very on-brand for Jules to be a little, like, And I think like there's this like there's a very obviously like a long history of kind of like androgynous like performers. Like there's like you're David Bowie. And you like, your Jimmy Page and your Grace, Jones, people that were like, playing very fluidly with like masculinity and femininity. Yeah, but now we're kind

12:38 of in like a modern era where there is like an added like sci-fi biological element to it where you can truly like become like something that's neither one nor the other And I think that there's a lot of artists that are playing with that and really interesting ways. I don't want to say playing with it. Like they're taking it very seriously and it's very important than they should be. But there's artists that are demonstrating like non-binary, like life

13:08 and living and Body. In like new ways that we haven't really seen before where it's not just about style, or how you present yourself, but it's like a full physical transformation and I think about like ARCA, Whose songs they used on season one love art and I think about like Dorian Electra and I think about like classic examples like genesis P orage from like psychic TV and throbbing gristle who was very much like never. Like, wasn't like a guy that

13:38 went to girl or a girl. I went to guy was like very fully like I'm like a very like future State. Yeah, non-binary type of like person and I think That it makes a lot of sense for Jewels. He was a very smart character who's really, like, on fully into like the realm of like playing with femininity or explore not at playing with exploring like being very feminine. And the fact that like and found that very like this is not for me and also

14:08 knows that like very like classic hetero like male masculinity life is also not for her to like move in this direction. This is kind of New Direction where you're very Like, it's a very like futuristic. Yeah, like slant to it. Let's get right into it, though. She kind of starts off. I mean, I love that. You took notes because your notes probably lead us step by step into the episode where as mine are kind of all over the place. So pull me in, if you think I'm going too far in, but I feel like a lot

14:38 of her thoughts, specifically toward her, like falling in love, very easily, her defining her. And in her life being very kind of like male-oriented. Yes, like no finding her purpose in life and who she was, I liked how she said. I was pulling a million different things

15:08 from different characters. Different Idols. I looked up to, and trying to create this person for myself, as I'm transitioning, taking hormones. And then realizing, oh, wow. These are just layers of things. I've been told from different influences, but they're not who I am at my drawer, which is what everyone does. Everyone doesn't have to do that. Like we were all do it. Yeah, but I thought that was really deep because you To see. Oh, okay. So like you said, these two episodes

15:39 are really special right there. Really different there more in depth. Whereas Euphoria, you see Hunter, Schafer Jules, whatever you want to call it. You see her character. You see Jules I'm saying, you see jewels as Sailor Moon, you see her as like quirky neon makeup like Cloud. Eyeliner, like you very much to find her character. If you're not a super fan like we are you define her as something that's very like stereo. A typical, it's like an anime character. It's, you can literally pull men is very

16:09 couch in like stereotypes. Yeah, and she and that's for a reason it's because she's essentially admitting in this episode. That that was intentional. Exactly. She was almost like, bimbo, like firing herself to hear like party, like slashing away. Like nice feminine ideal for like men. So it makes sense. She was very much a stereotype because she had made herself into one and now she's grappling with like her rejection of The Stereotype. She made herself into and trying to determine Like what is next for her identity wise, which is so deep, which is fascinating,

16:39 but I was thinking of her getting ready I flashback to like our I think it was our second or maybe even our first episode of this podcast where I said, like, I love when she's getting ready to meet cows. She's like, well or she's got, she's getting ready to tightly Michal but then she goes to the party afterwards, but she's like, putting on that like cool like purple, suspender dress. She's like putting on a lipstick. Like she's getting all hot and heavy and like I was like, she's so hot like I like aspired. It's like funny. It's like I aspired to be her character in my life. Like

17:09 as many Euphoria fans. Do you look at these characters? And you're like, oh my God, like that's something I've always wanted to be, but it's never been widely accepted. So now I've like Incorporated that into my like Vibe when I go out so her breaking that down and being like, this was me just pulling like inspiration from multiple characters, but that's not who I am for, Euphoria superfans. That's pretty like eye-opening. Like for me at least, it was very jarring because it's like, oh, like look at her in this therapy. She is no makeup, just herself, like, literally just sitting on the couch.

17:39 Literally, not a jewel on her eyelid. I mean, that's the first we've ever seen jewels as a character with no makeup, very vulnerable and telling your story just like we saw through. Yeah, and I think like I don't mean this in like any kind of an offensive way, but I think like there was some kind of an intentional effort for her to appear, like slightly more masculine in the side like loading in the therapy couch. I was thinking that or no, I was thinking more about just like her face. A sun-like presentation. But yeah, I guess that as well like she was very like she was trapped,

18:10 like I liked it because I do that all the time and I was always laughs because like I'm the most improper. Laughs, I don't think that's great. No, I just don't give a shit and I think a lot of girls don't anymore, which is great about like, Progressive culture. But but exactly like I really like notably a little more masculine in this episode, but it was very subtle. And I think it was very like well done. And it's saying like goes very much in line with her rejection of like this pure feminine. A kind of male ideal of like a hot bimbo like Persona and

18:40 being like I'm interested in finding something else like that's not which I think we all should like low-key I heike. I think we all should be aspiring to be that because I think we are at a point now where we should just be so far beyond that type of bullshit. Like I love that we can talk about this stuff because I do think like I just think of growing up and all the things I was told as a girl I know like for you you can't relate because I'm kind of, can your guy? You've been told certain

19:10 things like top, not be a man. You're not allowed to cry. Blah blah blah. There's all these certain stereotypes, but for girls, it's like classroom legs. Ladies don't ever like spread their legs. I was told that my whole fucking right? I do know shoulder. No elbows on the table, like none of that. So for me, I 100% agree with you though. The minute. I saw Jewels care. You're being a little more just herself, which means like, yeah, not, if I can crossing your legs, trying to be this like girly type character, if you will,

19:41 I think we just saw another side of jewels that I was like, kind of waiting to see and I loved it. I mean, it was nice. It was almost a relief because I think we all feel that way. Yep. It was. I thought it was great. I thought it was all very like, well, well done. Very like smartly written, which is crazy. Just Hunter wrote it with Sam. Yeah. I mean, just like Good for her but amounts of like shout out for that. Like this is an incredibly impressive like first piece of like writing for and it's clearly like

20:11 I almost feel like it. I mean, I'd love to hear Hunters real thoughts, but I feel like this was just a journal entry to her life, but just kind of molded it into, you know, you for your landscape, but it was highly impressive. Yep. I think another really interesting aspect of this episode was that we really get like The jewels side of the router Jewels relationship and which shows that there is like a very like a. Like there's a super deep love from Jules

20:42 to Rue and be like, we finally get to see like the weight of like Rue sobriety on her. Like we all knew that existed. We didn't really know why I'm story though. We didn't know the drills. Mom was an addict but we also didn't really know like How Deeply like Jewels love drew, it was always kind of very lake level. We're not sure she's got the thing with like fuck. I'm shy guy and like we were never like rolled the closer. We can never remember her presentation or a. Yeah. Fucking do you even remember? I don't Amanda? No, it's not

21:12 that Abby that she is our makeup. We can never remember. Anyways, I mean continue, it's fine. But like, we hate her that much. We're never really liked sure in season one about, like, How Deeply Jules feels about rear. So we get like, it's very clear in this episode. Like Jules loves rear like, very deeply, very, Play. And then we also see the route, like, the weight of like Rue sobriety on her, highlighted by her mom being, which I think we all assumed that. It was, it was I didn't

21:42 say never really think about it. Oh, I did. But I'm sure we'll did. I'm not saying I did but I know I didn't do nothing about her. Mom member. Okay, I would love to listen to our old episodes because I feel like we talked about not knowing what the fuck her. Mom's deal, was, we knew she was a royal piece of shit for putting her in that insane. Asylum. But other than that member, I thought Shake cancer and died. Like I was so far off. So like we really didn't know. So now we know the story, she's very much alive.

22:12 And unfortunately, we get like the relay Cairo to the heart. That Jules dad is not like we do. We will sum up to be like we all everybody loves Jewels dad. He's like very much like everybody. I would say you and I right before everybody does he's like, but right gold. We character right before we even watch this episode. Outside literally looked at each other and we were like jewels, that is just like the sweetest, like most admirable, parent figure, in pop culture TV,

22:43 and, you know what? I'm going to have to say, I'm agreeing with Alex on this one. I didn't I don't feel that way anymore. After this. I said this one really sticks, the knife in your ribs. And then Twist It All Around Every Which Way. Because in this episode, he's playing all kinds of like, sympathy for Jewel's. Mom, who put her. In a fucking insane asylum. He's ambushing her with her appearance, like, play all this like, just really, not just not having her back, you know, straight up will also, you forget. So this is not only that,

23:14 her dad pitches his wife as an attitude struggling. But now is better, when really, it doesn't matter. A doctor. No addict. She put jewels in an insane asylum. Right. Right her wanting to be Home for wanting to transition so wanting to transition. So fuck you. You get no roach has no bearing on your addiction or not addiction. That's I'm sorry. Fuck outta here sober as fuck and that yes, that situation doesn't look different

23:44 to you one way or the other, but that's why you. And I took such a strong point in like being mad at her dad, because this isn't like a mom who was an addict who can sympathize with and go. Oh my God, and empathize and go, she's trying these awesome Bertie. Yeah. It's like no, no, no, no, So Alex and I definitely were very upset at jewels that over this because jewels that has always been so supportive. And he is like a doll in From Grace. I won't write him off. But I will say, like this made me

24:14 really not like him. He's just another you for your character now. Well, no longer our secret, Golden Boy one else knows this. But for me, this part in particular, was extremely personal because I can relate to jewels in this. My mom is a fucking psycho. My dad before he died very much. Did the same fucking shit that Jewels dad. Did he call me to my room? Do the whole like, you need to talk to her? Mom? Like she's really trying, she feels bad.

24:45 I know she slapped you and called you a whore, but like she feels bad about it. Like and then she'd be in the car on the couch, waiting for me and it's like, don't put me through this and my dad was always a homey and like was on my side. Meaning I know deep down he knew that was fucked up but He'd always put me in the middle of like but your mom's like feels bad, like they go talk to her. It's into me all. I'll say about that. I'll say about my father who I love and you know, obviously no shit won't

25:15 go too deep into that, but In the way that I still love Jules dad, is that, I think every human is flawed. And I think people like that are in this position where they, I think he really does love jewels, and he feels every emotion, she's failing. But I feel like in that position they fall week, which every human does, right. We all have our weak spots. I'm not condoning. It. I'm not paying it. But I do think we all have our weak spots Jewels dad. Clearly in that moment showed his very weak

25:45 spot, which is he was not willing to defend, His daughter. He was more willing to reprimand and are not reprimand remedy, his relationship with his wife. Then support his daughter which to me is fucked up and I felt that way with my dad still do even though he's passed, I love him. But that type of stuff scars teenagers for life and it scarred me. So I was sobbing when the episode because I understand that feeling and that weight, it's

26:16 heavy and I'm sure a lot of our listeners get Got it. That one hurts. I think a lot of our listeners, probably. I mean, you watch you for you for many reasons, but I think the people that are the super fans, probably watch it for emotional connection, you know, you watched shows because you relate to them and I think a lot of people could relate to this story. Which yeah, I'm good job Hunter for telling it because I think a lot of people need to hear this. Yeah. Absolutely. It's on hurts big time. But what else? So the dad? Yeah, fuck. The dad calls

26:46 her out. I mean that was shitty. Really bad. It's very, very bad. Like he is in custody of her because of this because her mom is fucking crazy and subsequently like his job. Should be to protect Jules. I'm her mother at all costs and then she's just fucking. Let her die. Like she went out on her like that. It's the worst part was when I'm sad. Do you want me to just fake it, right? Or sorry Jules character was like, do you want me to just fake it and go down to Mom and say sure

27:16 I forgive you, right? And the dad was like yeah that's fucked up because you know what? Because Jewels went downstairs to do that and I've been in that position and that position. Sorry. Just like I'm country Heineken but like I've been in that position where my dad quite literally is said, you need to go to a pologize, her mom. And I've looked at my dad's eyes and said why, I fucking hate her and he's like, just do it and it's selfish. And that's why I don't like Jules dad anymore because itself unfair

27:46 position to put your child. Will they do it? Because they want to be relieved of the stress. Yeah, it's selfish and it's wrong. So, I've been there. So that part really hit home. But other than that, we go more into on a funny more lighter note. I feel like Jewels room was a lot brighter, which we always talk about all the other episodes. Her room is such a start of the, like most brightly lit episodes of before I ever, which is funny. I know and I heard room is so have like sunlight

28:16 coming through. All the windows. You can see the Is feels like a secret fire escape. We haven't really seen before Ruth. It's all on the roof, right? Like the roof. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. This is the roof though. Right? Outside her room window. Yep, which is, we've never seen, right? We got all these like, little shots of like, ruin Jewels, like intimacy that we haven't really seen before. Yeah, but what I wanted to call out that I really liked, was through giving Jewels her like, hormone shot. I know highlights that to, that was like, intensely

28:47 intimate. Like that's like, Like way more intimate than like hanging like that was very like, because it's assertive and raw and like intimate. And I thought that they thought that was very well done. I'm like, super cute. And you get like, a whole like way deeper, like level to their relationship. Just from that one little scene. Same, I agree. 100% because normally, in Euphoria, season 1, whenever Jules is giving herself the hormone shots.

29:17 She's all alone. Right, that's that was very intimate and very good way. Like it was a secretive thing. We're in this. You see the oh like that was like the only one that yeah, which is really sweet about that. Yeah. Rule stands forever. I will choose from Rules. Right now. I'm drinking this heinicke because that was absolutely like a tender moment, but it was also fun that they didn't make it like once again, I just love it because it's a natural. It wasn't like a Ultra serious. It was like they were laughing and she was like, come on. Like

29:47 just do it. It like, it was very cute. It was cute. I think the only other thing that I have in my notes about this episode was how well done. The horror aspects of it were. So we've kind of like covered the good stuff, you know, with through the wholesome or heartbreaking or whatever romance between. But the other thing this episode does super well is Showcase the absolute fucking horror and Trauma that Jules had to deal with from the Nate

30:17 Shy Guy. Tyler situation. Yeah, which is I was so worried this whole time even in the midst of this episode that they were really gonna like hit us with a like, Nate Redemption. And thank God, we don't get that. This is like presented in all. Its horror, all this trauma, There's No Redemption for an eight. I as a massive like horror fan. I appreciated right off the bat that like the first time. They talk

30:47 about that. That we have these very, like, David Lynch's shots of, like, almost like pitch black rooms with these, like creepy, flashes of light, as rules of taking pictures of herself. Like the sex. She's like, she's taking Leg. Staying with them. Yeah. She's taking like sexy selfies and she's like, the room is dark and the these flashes of light or so like creepy. And Illuminating and this is ordering. This part is fantastic. Like if this was Labyrinth, which it probably was like, I take back

31:17 everything. I He said this was perfectly scored. So beyond creepy and weird. We should that actually don't know if Labyrinth scored this up, but he DED, yo, he DED. Yeah. I just don't know if that was a existing song that they use or if that was probably require. But then like later on we get some more like outright horror when she's like having her like dreams of like being in New York Andrews overdosing and it's so cool. She's like some the mirror and she's like, where are these pictures of us? Tyler? She's like, yeah, why aren't

31:47 there any Pictures of us and she's looking back into the room and the man's face is obscured and it's not naked the whole time and like the like all that scene whole being so black dark and like the pacing under the it felt or skinned in it when she walks into just a dark little bit. That's how I felt like when she just walks in like half naked and just utter darkness and you're like, but yeah, that was all like very well done creepy and like lean super

32:18 heavy. The horror which I like massively, appreciate it, but especially those first scenes where she's taking selfies. That was like, almost like a mud. That was a much more like subtle. Yeah. Or not. The other scenes are great and well done, but they're a little more road. But those early ones with the Selfies are very creepy and unsettling in the music during the scenes is so off. And like, creepy and weird makes you feel uncomfortable. That was like, good one. That was very like subtle. Like David Lynch Ewald on. And then later we get like real, like outright horror, where it's like the face is like, hmm. Not

32:48 the Faces at least he is facing. That was all really crazy and douchebags. He's wearing a necklace to the ring on it, when they're making out, it goes into her mouth. And you're like, notice that? And I got it like and they intentionally got someone that looks super like me. Yes, but I'm like, I'm laughing. I'm like, sex is sex, right? But like, that is so douchey like taking a guy's, right. I think God, that was a ring around his neck. As I'm fucking was like some emblem or something, but you can really tell what it was, but that was the only other thing I had to call out. Was that like, I love the, the horror, the outright lie.

33:18 Or elements and that they were very well done. We great. And that it like it really showcases like the horror she went through because like she's talking about this whole relationship up front as if like, I've had like the most amazing relationships with people that I've never met and like couching it. And he's really like positive terms and then she really gets to it and it's clear that it was like, so horrifying and traumatic for her and it really like underscores how fucking scary it is. The, you could like talk to someone online and think you fully know them, and then like,

33:48 Like if like, you're not even fucking close, not only that it's I think. Are you for Ian's will relate with me? Because, you know, not like diminishing your fandom, but I'm a super fan, right? So, when I was watching you for you, for the first second, third, fourth fifth, I think the count is a super fan of this point. Yeah, at this point you do. Okay. I'm good. Incidentally. I will give a super fan. But like, when I was watching it for the first time it, I remember telling you, it was like a twist for me. I

34:18 You shall go with me, but I actually thought when I first watched season 1 I thought jewels. I thought, neat really did like Jewels. So I thought the outcome was going to be there. We're going to meet up. I didn't think they were going to live happily ever after by no means, but I thought he was going to, like, kind of confess to her and be like, I like you, but like, fucking you better not say a word to anybody. I did not know that he was gonna hold all their conversations against her and be like, I could take you to jail for this. Like, what the fuck. So

34:48 the carnival episode for me. The end of that was like, holy, I remember, like, going A fridge, getting another beer being like I don't even know if any watch the next episode. I'm so traumatized. So this episode I was very very thankful that they do have deeper into that because you don't get anything from that. She goes to ruse house climbs through her window to sleep over which they show little glimpses of right. But you don't it's kind

35:18 of like a classic Highschool Story where she just has like I was catfished. She didn't look like what he looked like in his picture and that's it. Whereas, that's not it, she really liked spent hours minutes days, right? Jesus. All for I am, like, for Mom constantly, having the best, showing her tits, everything right? And I think imagine I'm in like really like put yourself in that position. Like I've never been there, but I'm sure many of our listeners have maybe, maybe not but like that's

35:48 fucking traumatizing. Yeah. Oh big time and I think they're real like subtlety and actual horror. That their relationship was so deep and extensive that he clearly does feel some degree of that. Yeah. It's like asking her where she wants to go to. So what does she want to study? All right, fuck you, so there wasn't a single send me a picture of your pussy or, right? But the real horror of that is that like he feels some of it but he's still a fucked up. Enough person to

36:18 disregard like what he actually really felt because it's like it's obvious that like he was able all to carry this on because he was into it. Yeah, at least 22. Like a pretty big country. Like he's definitely gay and he was definitely pretty into this. Like, selfishly. Goodnight is gay quote. I look pretty fucking into this till it, keep it going. So, he's a scarier villain not for the fact that like he was faking it. He wasn't faking, it was real, but he's so much scarier because it was real. And then he was able

36:48 to put all of that realness to the side, and look, her in the face and like, be like, fuck you. I'm sending you to prison. And he wasn't like quavering in that moment. There's no, like, no hesitation. There's no like, oh, maybe he doesn't want to do this, because he feels so connected to this person. He's been talking to online. Like he really felt all that shit, but then he's like, but no, fuck it. You're going to prison. Like he's a real like cold, but I make some so much if we could play, it was not seen,

37:19 Jacob. Lordy. I'll give him credit. That's why he's so good at his job. He acts at seeing very well because like you said, there's not Not one ounce of quavering. He's like, fuck you. If you fucking say anything about this. I'm going to fuck your life up and you believe it because in Jewel shoes, she goes to the cops the next day and it's like totally vulnerable. Right? And fucks everything up and it's like but can you blame her? I mean, he's extremely threatening and he is not quavering. He's like, right. So this is all very scary. This is well done. Hwoarang. It really addresses

37:49 like a something that hasn't been hit on the head by like modern horror yet, which is like this. You can be so like deep into this other person and believe all this shit but like she's like keeps you. They keep bringing up that she's never seen his face and it's like giving you like these red flags, but she keeps overlooking the red flags and going like deeper and deeper into this. And she's talking about how she's had these great relationships with people. She's never met and it's like, but all that is bullshit. Like

38:19 it's, you can talk all day long about how amazing a relationship with someone you've never met in person. Person can be, but they're still like this. Very possible like red flag. It's not still, like, a really like, Primal, like physical aspect to like friendships, or relationships or whatever. It is. It's not right. It could be anything. Like, there's still something like physical and Primal about a real true like honest friendship or relationship or romance or whatever. Yeah. So for it all to be conducted online,

38:49 like there's like no guarantee that that's going to hold over in person. People are fucking crazy. Path and you really could get like play it. And it's horrible and terrifying. It's really scary. One thing. I want to play on which is kind of off topic from what from the horror of it all, but this is kind of horrific. I really loved me personally. My favorite part of the episode was when Jules dice sex, how women treat each other, which is, is that

39:20 she had you meet someone, a girl, or woman, if you will, whatever. Fucking the girl. And they judge you from head to toe and I know this. Alex can literally sit here and agree with me 100% without wavering. Have I not told you the same thing. Absolutely. I've told Alex time and time again and everything. I do, I work at sea krait. I've told Alice, I'm not afraid to say this anywhere, if we're not just there. But anyway, work, I've always

39:50 felt judged as a female not from men. Surprisingly, everyone always thinks. Men versus women. I've actually been more judged by women. I think women are sadly pitched against each other because of the turmoil. We've had to go through, trying to overcome masculinity, trying to overcome the patriarchy. You have to be a competitive person. So when that you kind of lose your connection with other women, so, but that being said, I actually like 100%

40:21 was like cheersing my champagne glass to the TV screen when Is Timeout, girls, looking you up and down, judging you for like, a chip nail polish or you not being the skinny type. That's on Instagram. It's like everyone talks about that daily. And I'll be honest. I think that kind of conversation gets kind of fucking old when everyone's like everyone thinks everyone should be like Kendall Jenner on Instagram. It's like, I mean, I guess me as a strong female. I don't

40:51 really like look to Kendall Jenner or Kylie Jenner any of these 'Well, I don't compare myself to them. No, I'm not saying it's wrong. If you do like that sucks. Connor is there? No, but I'm saying that sucks of your own that place. I have a little sister who's been in that place where you feel really shitty about yourself and you just want to be like everybody around you. That's famous like Emma. Chamberlain always did like line. Look at the absurdity of the same. You just said everybody around you. That's famous. No one around. The average person

41:21 is famous. Oh, you think that you're around famous people. Will because we look at social media all day. You're you're around them on your phone, but you're never actually around famous job. Sometimes I am so sorry. I still talking about you talking about like yeah, you're like a weird like Corner case. I'm talking about like the absurdity of the statement that like you're constantly comparing yourself to people around you. But how often are you act your, they're not, you're not around celebrities ever and like

41:52 even the people you think you're comparing yourself to that aren't celebrity's house. Often a you around them fucking never, you're not that soundly gen Z and level phases are reality. Is that you not you? And I meaning we're outliers, but many people of our community. Are you for Ian's our listeners people outside of our community? They do feel like they have to compare themselves to people on the internet and it's shitty. I know you and I are not this type of people because for these weird fucking idiot. Such

42:22 drink beer in our apartment. We don't care. We just kind of like A drunk and we don't give a shit but that's just not the case for a lot of people. So all I'm saying, is there are people that feel the way. I felt that way not as strongly as the way she described it because I'm of a different generation. Right? Like we do have an age Gap in our stories. But I felt that very strongly because I will say that it's like I was much of a feminist as I am. I do feel like women pit pit each other

42:52 pit against each other often and it's because We've been treated like shit for so long and we're all trying to compete to get to the top and be the best we can be and that's hard and when women get in our way, that's very threatening and I myself, what I've always thought I call myself a guy girl. I've always gotten along with guys better than I have with girls. I'm not like proud of that but it's just, it's just the fucking truth. I have two brothers. I get along with them quite well. Three Brothers,

43:22 Three Brothers. I came in. All right, be my key. We're out of three brothers, or maybe Travis's. Aah. I had three brothers two sisters. So I've always been the guy girl, and I also am like Jewels. I'm, I can relate to her character. Now, from watching this episode. I'm a lot like her, and that I really looked up to my dad. I did not have a mom. That was present in my life. So I've always aspired to be more like a dude. I feel like I always thought, dudes were cooler. That guys were more like logical. They weren't true emotional.

43:53 They were Cutthroat. They were aggressive. That was just like the Viewpoint. I got. So I felt like, in this I said, I really related to Jules conversation with her therapist about how fucked up girls can be how they look you up, you know, from your toes to your head like giving you a judgment. I got that. My whole fucking life. Yeah. It's pretty silly. Will you laugh? Because you're a dude and you don't have to experience that but it is interesting. As a girl, like you, you probably heard that and didn't feel

44:23 anything. Whereas, for me. I was like, oh my god. I've never felt more like I feel like she was speaking on my behalf. Mmm. I, and I'm like, jewels to be fair to give her credit. She doesn't care. She even said, like I don't really like care what they think but it's there and it exists and it sucks and that's how I feel. I don't necessarily care what girls think about me, but it's there. And it sucks because you want to like, like she said, you want to conquer femininity and like Embrace that, but how can you do that? I feel

44:53 like everyone around you judging you and being a piece of shit. It's just like, it's a weird cycle, right? Yeah, it's a lot about like this is not my stuff. That was a lot because identity spewing up all know like that absolutely makes sense. It's like you want to support your girls, but you're also like book, girls fucking sock, right? And like guys have like a drive to like be like look the best or like these like identity driven drives, but there's never like a communal

45:24 like camaraderie that's expected or like really you don't think that or do you know? All I've never liked. Do you think some guys would disagree with your teeth? And that's just your view point. I'm just curious. Maybe it's just my viewpoint. I'm not gonna like speak to it on large. But like what you're saying when you're like I is a girl. Feel like I was pressure from other girls, like always like be on point and look my best and all this stuff like Isaac guy. If I'm going somewhere that I know is like of a certain repute like somewhere where I would like to look cool

45:54 somewhere. That's like known to be like a hot spot whatever like I have a certain pressure. That I put on myself to like be top notch in my own eyes, but I don't feel that there is no other guy. Don't feel that, there's any kind of like mail, like judgment about me or female judgment about me. I don't feel that like, I just feel that people in general are going to like look me up and down and judge me. But I don't feel like I care about their judgments. I just feel like I know I am going to be judge. So

46:24 I want to present myself in accordance with my own like your own my own life. Style Guidelines. Yeah, I have my own Style Guidelines and Eric could walk into a place and know that every male and every female in the plays is going to look at me and think I'm trash. But as long as I'm with in what I deemed to be like, Primo liked on point style, I will feel good about myself. I don't feel like a general like camaraderie or judgment with like other males. Yeah, which I feel like is like a big difference

46:54 with like women. That's fucking sucks. That's it. It does. Like you hard, I'll scan stand behind me, 100%. Oh, I am like you will. You just described as me though. I don't go places thinking girl, thinking. Oh, I'm going to dress a certain way because I'm afraid what girls are gonna think that's not it, it's more just that you're you're constantly competing because girls already have the lower hand and you want to make it to the top so you try great. And that's why don't we instead of

47:24 supporting each other you unfortunately most times are pitted against the right, you are. Kalon, by your way to the top. Not like however, you can. Yep. We're guys have it easier. I don't know about you. I the only reason I started crying during that episode was because when they showed the scene of Rue coming in on Christmas and essentially being like I'm sorry, they're not was about the train scene, right? Like that. Yeah, it was because she's

47:55 sad like, I'm sorry. I think that was I think that took place after ruined been at the diner. Molly. Yeah, she came over. I think I think so too, or possible. Yes. I'm Merry Christmas. And she was right. I'll have to, I think it was probably a Christmas. Yeah, those ruins with Ali on Christmas Eve. Right? I mean, we're literally recording this. We just turn off the episode. We haven't watched it again, so we don't know for sure. But I would say, yes, it was after the diner. She feels guilty. She goes there after that. Was an, I guess I started crying.

48:25 Which that's the end of the episode, but that's when I actually started crying because you Tell Jules just felt horrible. And but also like she didn't really get a chance to explain herself because Roo got nervous and left. She like, Willie dipped the fuck out. Yeah, and then the the episode literally ends with Jules just sobbing in her bed. And and I think for me personally, that home very spots, the one big plot development, one big, we get two episodes and the only real like

48:55 significant plot into season two. We get, is that the very end right there? Yeah. But it's good. I like that because You and I are such flippant ideas of what Jules did during that time, and I like that. Now we know she just was at home and was like, I fucked up. I was yeah, drunk to be fine. Well, she said I was drunk. I was well, okay. Wait, actually, I will backtrack right now. Not only was she drunk. We learned a big, big chunk of her

49:25 life that we did not know Season 1, which is her mom dies on Halloween, huge. Yeah. I mean, that's that's so much. Of jewels behavior on season one is explained by the fact that like on Halloween, her mom died, but I'll give us credit everything from that episode on makes a little more sense. 100% Jewels departments funny is I have to listen to it again. We were very drunk, but I will say this, you and I are always

49:55 very like we're intuitive. So we never have painted jewels as a Villain at all. If anything course, if anything I'm more on. Jewel side than Roots, which is interesting. I love route to death but like, I get where Jules is at. I get like her motives and what she does, right? But I will say on Halloween, a lot of people were very like people meeting fans people that listen to our podcast. They're very like Jewels was like an idiot shot too drunk, this and that, but I was kind of like that was me

50:25 when I met you in college, when you're going through trauma and you your life is just fucked. That's just how you Especially when you're 20 years old, 19 in their case. Well, how I felt and how many right other people felt. I mean, he's clearly noticeable in season one that like, there's a big shift in like, who Jules is, and how her character behaves prior to and following that episode. And at a time,

50:55 like, we don't know anything, but now that all makes a lot of sense, a huge shout-out to, like, Sam levenson, obviously that can be attributed to him, like, It's very obvious looking back that, like there's a massive shift in Jewels Behavior at that point in season 1. And what do you secure the party? Like this in our episode like, at which point like Jewels, like a jewels was my favorite character in Euphoria for the first four or five episodes. And then she was one of my least favorite characters for the last, like, two or three like and now we understand

51:26 why there's a reason for it. It's a very obvious reason at all. You did, but I did not. Yeah, I always have There's a massive shift in her behavior and she gets me shadier and weirder and like things are just not like, right? And Jules is not. He thought Jules was whatever. Like, but like, things are off, but also from that episode on, but also, we know, Silly us right as an audience. We think it's because Jules is this high school girl. It doesn't know what she wants. She's very flippant, right. Exactly Visions. When really everything, she goes

51:56 to all away and gets exposed to all this shit and she's like, oh, I'd only her mom just fucking die. Really. It's like yeah. Her mom died. I'd like this which is extra extra traumatized like which is knowledge shitty. But once again, I I personally can relate to this on many levels. It's not that excited to talk about but I can. And so can like I just mentioned my little sister earlier. It's very similar. It's like when you go through shit, you could think they're just living their best life because they look good on the outside, like Jewels looks fucking fantastic on Halloween. She doesn't

52:26 Kaoru about any of this. She's confident run. If anything they make. The episode pins rude to be like the weakling. It's like ruse, like at the party sober, kind of bitter that like she's not included. So, as a, as a, you know, a viewer, you're kind of like, come on, like let Jules live her life, but then you learn about Jules experience or like that. We know what Jules off the deep end laughs on Halloween, and for the rest of the

52:56 season. Yes. So yeah. That all makes a shit ton more sun. That's really deep. It is I mean it lens like it's kind of sad. I mean if you want to talk fucking psychology like you have now added like a massive layer of psychological complexion to the fact that like Jules is super attracted to Rue who is like a clone of her mom. Like she has this like maternal like non-judgmental attitude and is also a fucking flank devastating drug addict

53:27 when the therapist point where she was like, I never thought of it that way, which I think is going to be interesting going. Season 2 I feel like that was kind of a like a door opening in the season 2 of like she's now on this place where like she's going to therapy and now she knows that that's a likely like that, right? That's her reality. Which is she's dating or loving someone that's similar to her mother, just has like everyone always talks, daddy issues, Jules just has mommy issues. So

53:57 of course, she's dating someone it's like reflective of her mom. Like we see mommy issues as blessings. Like meteor hitting you and I have mommy issues. I wouldn't characterize your mommy issues like yeah romantic sexual. We're as I would with. Oh baby. I'm also excited about this new episode last meatball. Okay, he's calm now. He's lying down. Amiibo. Gets

54:27 a little excited. He's especially excited because he really relates to Jules dress. Oh my God. Anyway, we're or loud fat tabby cat. Another major point. I wanted to bring out was the fact that although I was like sobbing during the episode. I kept laughing because I did feel like the music not all the time. But for part of it was very Lord of the Rings. Ask I had a lot of like flutes and like but you know,

54:57 what's funny? I shifted my feelings on it. Like At first I was like this sounds like a little like one of the Rings and That's a good thing. I will say this. It's not a bad thing. I fucking love that shit, but then it kind of transformed and I thought, oh my God, Hunter, co-produced and wrote this. So I feel like it's very anime sounding like it kind of sounds like a Studio Ghibli track little baghrir now. Yeah. Well also, like, like I said earlier in the episode, I think our interviews preempted, a lot of this episode and she was talking about how one of the

55:27 big, like, influential albums for her was Enya, which is very like, yeah. He's like new age. What Mark and yeah, you know, we're do like 90s bullshit fantasy, Lord of the Rings adjacent type shit. Yeah, but we were both like so stupid. A very yeah. The Studio Ghibli like fantasy and yet a new age like that all those linkages like feel right and because I agree like the music, this episode clearly felt like that and was it's never felt like that before.

55:57 So I think that that's probably not even close. I mean, we're all reaching for straws here, but like Heard speaking about any has album, being a major influence her in her life before the album. She wrote releasing with some very like new-age ask music. Like I'm sure she had a say in like how this played out. Absolutely. And I think we can both agree that that it was absolutely musically very different than ruse episode. Right? Right, which makes that I'm in ruse was like, well, it is kind of kind of, no. No

56:28 Rios was way Euphoria. It was very, I mean, even Labyrinth version of oven. Maria. So Euphoria, it's it was all kind of like, well, please, no Glitter. I was just gonna disagree with you already because I think it felt very a continuation of what I would expect. A Euphoria episode to be musically. I would say Jules episode. I could tell it was Hunter Schafer's influence in a and I mean that in a positive it was different, but it did not feel Euphoria based

56:58 at all. Even Billy even billion Rosalia song That Just Good. It was in Spanish. I mean, that's not I guess. Actually, you know, what, I'll take that back because Brasilia did a lot of music for the first season, so that's not but whatever. The, the, the instrumental parts that you said might be Labyrinth will have to look deeper into it and see what it is, but I felt like the music was a lot different. This episode than ruse. I thought Bruce was very like, Euphoria

57:29 heavy and had the Christmas Vibes, but you could just hear Labyrinth touch on it. This one felt very like Hunter Schafer. It did not feel at all. Like interesting to me. This felt like, does I will emphasize in a positive? And I was cool to me. This felt like new age, Labyrinth like it felt like Hunter. Shaver told Labyrinth do Ave Maria, but like new age. Cool, so I could have like it was all very good, but I could have like enjoyed

57:59 a little more, a little more avant-garde, a little Outside of like, the Labyrinth like box whatever. Another big point I want to bring up is so the ocean scenes. I don't know, if we're, your friends know this about us, but Alex and I met in Malibu, that's where we met. We both went to college at Pepperdine, which is right on the shore of the, like, literally on Pacific Coast Highway and where

58:29 they filmed Hunter Lang the ocean. As Jules character is literally right where Alex live when I met him. I mean, I'll explain your home where you live. I feel like this is interesting for our list. It's very weird. Like I lived in a neighborhood that was next to the beach. Boynton. I point to my, which is, like, a very weird thing because it was this neighborhood. That was like, full of mostly. Like,

59:00 it was like half like mobile homes and half like real. Holmes. But they were like small homes. This wasn't a neighborhood of like mansions and big yards and private key, you know, this is a neighborhood of like trailer homes, but like fancy trailer homes because you're realistically a like minute walk to the beach like this. Neighborhood is on the beach side of the highway. Well, you also lived on you don't have to, you can just walk to the beach and there's like a pool and you're pointing to main neighborhood. Alison notice the time because he didn't give a shit, but I did. When

59:30 I met him, he lived amongst many Disney. Stars the twins from Zack & Cody. The girl twins live there. They hot tub with this one night. Not that cooler important. But like people in the community were Hollywood famous living in his neighborhood, but Alex was a drunk idiot. Pepperdine student living in like a trailer. Yeah, like I split like I had like a third of like a trailer home that I split with like an 80 year old woman. It was like my landlord, but like I had my own bathroom

1:00:00 and like, do I know it was that and stuff? Whose blood free for a college student. Absolutely great. I would live there. Now. I also one night. I got so drunk. That first night. I was when I met I projectile vomited all over the front yard of his point to my trailer and it was on it all landed on. What does that plant? That's like a I think it was and I think it was our plan like a what? I think it was an aloe plant. Yes. Yes. That is what it is. Yeah. I barfed all over.

1:00:30 I got really dry. Al's got me really drunk. Unk on what was it? Sailor? Jerry's on Sailor. Jerry's, dark rum, I was not a drinker. You heard of high school episode. I wasn't like a big heavy drinkers. When we first hooked up we drank Sailor. Jerry's with no chaser or no, it was cactus, cactus cooler, but I didn't take the cat just color you did. I was like trying to be cool hot and I was like, I'm not taking it projectile. Vomited all over the fucking trailer at Point Dume a but anyway, it's

1:01:00 not relevant but a good little story. A Ferrari for Ian's. All the scenes were Jules is laying in the ocean and talking about femininity and how ocean the ocean reminds her of that. Like very strong bold deep. Right? That was my beach. That was, that was where I was going out and got wasted all my neighborhood. Love down to that Beast. Like if you walk through the neighborhood you ended up on that beach. Like I was there all of you literally walk down a little sand path to the ocean

1:01:31 where they filmed the scene. In of jewels laying on the ground and swimming. And yeah, I mean it was a huge fire both like weirdly big ocean people like so a lot of that, I like the never hesitated. Like the ocean is probably the most spiritual thing. I've come across some like, I'm not like, oh, it's God or anything but like the oceans, very spiritual and like, influential and absolutely magnificent and fluid, and like, woman and mostly capture features. Scribal live by the ocean forever. Drunk. Was, she describing

1:02:01 femininity of the ocean? She was saying he's a mask you. She was saying that the ocean was both feminine and masculine it was strong and powerful. Not bold, deep. I remember saying like it was very like Exhilarate. It was Broad and bold and deep but also like very little confusing feminine and like, I don't know. Yeah, softer. I've told Alex, especially, quarantine, and with the pandemic going on, the most happiness, I

1:02:31 felt is being near water. So I can relate to, like her connection with that. Anyways, I felt like that was a fun fact, which is that Alex? And I literally met and first, like, I don't even know what you think's didn't hook up. We held hands. It was the first people that connected, more than just friends was literally on point to my beach, which is where Jules is lying in the sand and like, waving their arms around going for all Circle other by waves. That was awesome,

1:03:01 but we were wasted. With soldiers and Cactus. Cactus Cooler, almost like Cactus Jack. Something in Travis Scott. Oh my God, Charles Scott was like a baby back then. Well, I love that for us. Let's just cheers to the fact that Jules lying on the ocean where we first had our day. And now we're doing a podcast on you for, you know, what full fucking Circle. That's a fork. That is so fucking euphoric. So normally we do cast updates of the beginning but we were so fucking

1:03:31 emotional after that episode. It meaning I was, I'm sobbing. Alex is fine. He's just chugging his ninth gear. But now we are here, third or now. We're here to give you the COS updates which all over you for Ian's love to hear. Okay, the best one of the day today was season to Euphoria is a possibly beginning to film season to the end of March. And this is According to indiewire, which our

1:04:02 table. It's very reliable. Yeah, and that filming day puts us at new Euphoria season 2 episodes coming out in 2021, which is very optimistic. We both know that. No, I think it's going to happen. I think the question is does that mean it's going to be like August or does that mean it's going to be like December? It will never be on. I think for sure. We're getting new Euphoria you can do in 2021, but I'm like

1:04:32 is does that? I mean, August or does that mean the summer also right now? And I hope I hope I get this right. I think it'll be a November because it's my birthday month that I'm sorry po. All right. We'll see. I feel the energy. I feel like Sam levenson knows. This is my yeah, for sure. We'll put the chips on November and November got the BET and you heard it here first. Yeah, you for your season to releasing a novella season. 3 drops. November 21st pages of eBay. Perfect. Okay. I can't wait. S, opencast updates. So we already kind of talked

1:05:02 about this. Earlier about Hunter Schafer was on Jimmy Fallon. She was obviously talking about, her experience writing for this episode that we just recap but also after cracking up because a, like, she's just fucking amazing, but also like her story of her quarantine experience and rating Mental Hospitals. On Yelp was like cracking me up because she laughed too. Like it wasn't like she was like acting. Like it was normal like she kind of sad like I was in a bad place

1:05:32 which I don't know what your take on that was. I feel like maybe she was just normal quarantine level like, not feeling it. And also in her position like not having any room for creativity. I'm sure she was like going a little bit. Stir crazy. I mean, I think if you're thinking about checking yourself into a mental hospital, it's probably a little more serious than that. But but she was laughing about it on Jimmy Fallon, really think it was more serious. Yeah, you don't. I don't think you actually seriously like, look up a mental hospital like ratings and

1:06:02 stuff. Think about actually checking herself at unless it's like, pretty legitimately serious with her is really sad because I feel like but it highlights like what a dystopian like absurdist, like reality. We live in where you're like, let me check the leg, Google ratings for the fucking metal and Yelp reviews. Like yes, of course, they won't be good. But also like you're trying to literally tell, like, should I put my lives my life, like, in the hands of like these people, but also you said, also, I love it is always sirens in the background person to New York.

1:06:33 I also love that early in this episode. You mentioned that Jimmy Fallon was kind of like deadbeat. I feel like because he's just one of those people that's not used to hearing real life. Like matters, because celebrities, come on bullshit. He's a very everything's all good. Like we were very mismatched. Yeah, but she but she handled it. So. Well, she was great. Yeah. She was great and to give him a little bit of kind of he wasn't like rude or anything, but he was just what type of truck she had. She asked him. What type of truck? He didn't even

1:07:03 ask in return. I want to know what type of truck Hunters driving around La with being a bro. It like she doesn't, she doesn't even give us the today. Also, look, it's his fault. He should ask, I know, but I look you love transplantation of why she want to do that. Like her being like Ulta Femme and like driving my fucking like its worst drug. That's so great. Well, she also stole my wish fingers Q. What she stole my, which fingers. What do you mean by that, Alex? I mean for years. I've been wearing around those fucking silly rubber, which fingers on all of my hands

1:07:34 all my job parties all the time. Yeah, bring them in my jaws and I wear them around because they're fucking funny to have. And I wore them for our Halloween episode like which can be which is a year ago, which we viewed on YouTube. Well, pin it with her and she comes out here on this interview like but them spray-painted gold. Like she's the first person ever recognize. How fucking cool river, which fingers from Party City are like, okay, but those fade, I appreciate it. Well, those weren't which fingers from parties that there were actually a very cool. Designer which I'm still

1:08:04 a little bit early. They were really the witch fingers from Party City. They were just painted gold, Alex fancy, but they really were those same which thing? Okay. Well, her stylist is now LaRoche, I would assume because that's who Styles and day and that's his style. This look on Jimmy Fallon. The designer was, I can't even. What was that skit? Well, the designer of her dress was a scaparelli and the fingers. I think I think the fingers were just gold. Spray painted which fingers. I don't know if scaparelli did those or not? Maybe I might have. But anyways,

1:08:34 continue anything, you know, any fun facts about the designer. Here's the deal. Scaparelli was a Leading like pre-war early like 20th century designer was in constant competition with Coco Chanel, and was generally considered the front-runner beating out Chanel. Like, I really was that the top-tier, BAM did a lot of collaborations with Salvador, Dali, and Jean cocteau,

1:09:04 and then didn't really like survived post-war and died out in the 50s while Chanel, like obviously, boom. Doomed. But scaparelli was revived in 2013 and is now like again like a respectable like oat Couture like, you know, which I love for hundreds. In fashion house has been putting out like super solid work since then the hunters fashion is just a 10 and above all the time, right? And in very Hunter fashion,

1:09:35 like when scaparelli was up there, like peak in like 30s, like pre-post pre-World. Or two they were noted for being like very like mad. Very like experimental. Like yeah. Wild like they're working with surrealist artists. Like doing like these very like experimental things with like different Fabrics, different pleadings. Like they were working with like Plastics, very early on before anyone was into that and like sometimes the Plastics would like melt at the, like dry cleaners and like stuff like that, you know, so likeable.

1:10:06 Yeah, so they were super cool and like very out there. Which matches like yeah. Definitely, collaborated. And like, came out with a great product. Yeah. So so her interview was really fun. And then she also did an interview with net appointee are not to portiere an Italian online fashion retailer. And it was really fun because we learned that like her a lot of her main inspo as like a child growing into like adulthood was Raven from Teen

1:10:36 Titans, which I don't watch. Did you watch sometimes I did? I've also read the comics. Oh Oh, Alex, you have way. I mean, Raven is a like classic. Like Gothic on reason was hot. She was like a real, like a real cartoon goth look. Yeah, fly Queen. Damn. I gotta watch Ravens, fine. I mean, I'm in the typically, like, I'm even. The cartoon she doesn't really ever change outfits in the comics. I think she does a little more of it, like, generally, she doesn't

1:11:06 Change her outfit a lot. But like, whatever. She's so great. I'm very doubled on it. But like interview. She talked about a lot of our first they asked like what were your first albums and like your reactions, she talked about and you know, which which is sad. I think a lot of our you for Ian's maybe not because a lot of our age demographic at least on Instagram is older but like, you know, Allison are we don't like to admit but really 30 when we were kids and yeah, I was like, fucking he cute. And yeah, it was like But

1:11:36 and your was huge, you girl Nickelodeon late at night and there be any commercials, like, your mom put and yet on the CD player every night at dinner. It was like an it was the age of like new age. Yes, and and honestly, I will say this, I didn't I liked it. We grew up in the time of the Desiree. Just do you like it? I'm in it. No, I did it. I loved it. Like I was never having like only time not a new age. I I mean that's on obviously slaps in retrospect. I I was not

1:12:06 a new age of guy. I probably like new age music now. Ten times more than I did back then so right I didn't give a shit about that when I was 10 years old, but now I like it. Yeah for sure. It's great. I'm using my Heineken. It's great now new age. I think the best thing I knew they just let it like has filtered into vapor wave and New Age, like hasn't had a strong influence on current vaporwave music, which is really solid because Vapor was kind of Twisted like what was best about new agent made a great will fall. Shooing

1:12:36 like the like bullshit of new age music because there's a lot of bullshit associated with new age like fuck. Yeah, crystals and bark and long as she did not. Only time there was another one that was like Lord of the Rings. Well, there's a lot of Lord of the Rings ones. She does a couple for them, but there was another one that was like I'll think of it later but it was so fucking funny. So in other news, Zendaya obviously starting amount of memory, which were both very excited for. There's been a lot of hype. Type around this

1:13:07 very but it premieres on Netflix, February 5th. I believe, which we will absolutely be recapping and podcasting about it because what the fuck else we Pockets about until we have anywhere Euphoria content, but on on the news, end of this, it's already on Peters, which what the fuck? Who is going to the movie theater. I think it's out the 29th of January, but I'm laughing. Cause I'm like, do you know of any states right now that are letting people go to the movie theater, please do Please don't go

1:13:37 to the movie theater. I don't know, I guess. Okay. Here's the thing. If you go to a movie theater, even if you're socially distance, you're indoors, you're breathing the same air, as please bad idea. Please don't. But anyways, and it looks amazing. I noticed today. That Spike. Lee reposted. Oh, and pretty much said, like, go watch this and Alex. And I obviously, I talked about this. I don't think we did Alex thinks we did, but I don't know if we did. I think we mentioned this prior. Sure, but

1:14:07 we were very lucky. And on the election day. We were out partying in Brooklyn and a large group that we were with all re regrouped at Spike, Lee studio in Brooklyn, and he was there, you know, I ordered pizza for everybody who's like poppin shit. Poppin, champagne. He gave a little speech. He ordered pizza for everyone. It was very cool. We were just celebrating virus social Labs there, but it was just a real, like big Street party was a great. I'm in like Spike

1:14:37 Lee's an incredible filmmaker. Obviously, not only was it a great time. I would say, actually, for me and you it was a, it's a time. I'll never forget. I mean, that's like absolutely. I mean that's a, that's a big, it's like conch, that after fucking years of having to deal with the orange, fucking disgusting piece of shit Trump. We got to like celebrate with Spike Lee over Biden's Ray who's like notably like a badass. Yay. Very well-spoken. Doesn't give a fuck. Oh was it was memorable and shit. Remember we listen to like their

1:15:07 speech like Kamala Harris is speech. I mean, yeah, it was great. It was so wide it is. That's just all we had to say. So, shout out safely. If Spike Lee thinks it's fucking good, then that means we gotta watch that. Shit's gonna brag about that time. We party this bikes out the time you're at Spike Lee's it was no big deal. You're just that's like Studio the other night. I mean it was fun. It was dope but another okay. Shout-out sure Rhonda Williams, which Alice wasn't no but I do, I do. Research shows

1:15:37 a YouTube channel called pair weight and she interviews. A lot of just like really cool shows movies. She interviews in debt and John David Washington for Malcolm memory. And she's also deemed us on Instagram saying, she'll listen to our podcast. She's super, super cool. So I shot out a weight, but definitely check out. Definitely shot out. Check out Shawn Williams, her channels pay or wait on YouTube. She did an interview. You directly with Zendaya

1:16:08 and John David, watched him from Malcolm memory. I don't believe it's released yet. But when it is you should go check it out. She's dope as fuck and she's damned us and I love her. Okay, next on news, it keep it as filmmaker DM's from me. I know. Sorry. I'll make it on my own. My dear right? There is so nice on the news. This is kind of funny. But right before we fill those episodes and Daya went on the little Trip to Target before the episode

1:16:38 aired. She was showing screenshots of her on her Instagram. She was buying the tenant DVD, which a lot of our friends have been dying to see him theaters. Do you know anything about tenant, which John David Washington's in course, I mean, it's Christopher Nolan. It's got Robert Pattinson. It's like how you know, I'm traveling it was supposed to be, it's a, it's a massive failure. It was supposed to be the movie that brought everyone back to theaters because everyone. One was going to be so odd. They couldn't resist seeing

1:17:08 Christopher Nolan's new big Blockbuster in theaters, but it was a fucking stupid plan because like who fucking is going to risk their life to go? See fucking tenet in theaters. But yeah, I mean, it's like a little bit of like it. Is it gonna stream anywhere or do you not know? Is it lighter? I mean, I'm sure it's like, probably a pretty good movie. But like, you know, I'm not gonna risk my life to get soon a theater and fucking watched Anna. No, no, no, but it's on DVD already. So we technically Zendaya, Notice that we could just go to Target and buy it. So let's say, I do,

1:17:38 it's probably a decent we're bored as shit - well, it's kind of know. The only last news we have isn't that exciting? And actually Alex, and I have high criticism for which is Sydney, Sweeney, start and Machine Gun Kelly's. I don't even know, I'm not going to call it a movie. What's it called? Again? It's an hour long, but I'm not going to call the movie, but its downfalls High down is high. It's described as a musical. That's a A pop punk version of Grease.

1:18:08 Now, before Alex goes into his heavy criticism. I will say as someone who's usually erring on the side of like supporting, are you for it cast? I would have to say, this is Sydney Sweeney's biggest failure. This is embarrassing to call anything. A pop punk version of grease to compare anything to Greece is offensive to me as someone who's a little older 30, which I feel very old saying that but like Greece is Iconic. So to compare any work of art to

1:18:38 Greece, for me, you better be fucking on it and like really have a lot to bring to the table. This had absolutely nothing really to table. And on top of it. One of the main stars on it was little Huddy, a tick tock star so not even like an an A+ actor like Sydney Sweeney. I would say, is up there in the A's. She's a lot of. Would you not before you go into your criticism? Would you not say Cindy swing? Has been like, she's on that

1:19:09 road to being an actor. She's worked with like some of the best actors in the world. No, but right, yeah. Yeah. So this was a huge, huge Dari, downgrade. Yeah. I mean it kind of I think for me, it really signals like how different artists think about their careers, and no judgment, but there's people like Sunday and Hunter think about their careers and very late. Like specific very intentional

1:19:39 terms and then I think there's people like Sandy Sweeney and like no offense, but like they're a little more open to like different opportunities and the like, at that money in like her like, oh my Lord, this is about the crunchiest product. You can imagine look like fucking pop. Punk, was the biggest fucking cringe. We live through pop-punk one. And it was cringey and horrible and I don't even know what that is. What describe what's Punk. Like I mean, pop. Punk. One was fucking some 41.

1:20:10 Yeah. 182 and I'm All-American Rejects. We live through it and its peak and it was fucking awful. Ocean Avenue, my yellow car. Now, I'll be on fucking yes. And that were being fucking subjected to pop punk to the remix 20 years later and it's even worse than pop-punk one, which was already like unbearable and it's like no one needs this. A question question for you. No one wants this me being totally open-minded. It like completely putting myself out there and I don't want to but I'm

1:20:40 doing it against my will. Do you think that we're just like older now? And that stuff isn't as appealing because okay, because yellow card Ocean Avenue, look it up. Like that's not a good song. That's really bad. It's cringey as shit, but like we we meeting I page Blazer. Really loved that though. Growing up and like thought I resonated with it and really enjoyed it. Do you think kids watching down Falls? I feel that same connection. Do you think they actually like it, or doing

1:21:10 the way I think that isn't it? Isn't he sweet? I think about it like this. There's like these, like sub genres of music and there's the good ones and the bad ones. I think I will die on this fucking Hill. There are only like five good pop, punk songs and everything else ever made under the banner of pop punk is absolutely like disposable garbage. Okay, and so but I was, I was just trying to be open-minded as their need for pop-punk to and will anything. Good that comes out of pop, punk to pop. Punk to.

1:21:40 Will there be anything good? That comes Uncle Peppers to fuck? No, I don't think there will be anything good that comes out over again. So that all times, Punk to what pop, punk. Pop pop punk to Peter, Piper Pizza is purple peppers. Already got 4 kinds of fun. God. I can't. Peter Piper picked his pillow back. Peter, Piper picked is pickled. Pepper is, oh my god. Well, fucking pop punk. Don't fucking move. None. Kelly listening to fucking Machine Gun. Kelly pretend that he's a little peep.

1:22:12 Honestly. It's fucking trash. Like pop, punk. One was so bad. Now. They're trying to bring it back. It's like a weird Tick-Tock thing, seen emo, pop, punk or kind of coming back, but it's awful. It was awful and its first Incarnation and it doesn't have lasting power like a lot of other subgenres because it was fucking trashed. The first round. Yeah. This is all say though, but ultimately like Jesus this album or whatever you fucking want to call it. I listened to about 10 minutes of it.

1:22:42 It is Machine Gun. Kelly just had like a hard-on for a little piece and listen to like, I don't know. He, it sounds like he listened a little peep for like a month. Absolutely. It was like, I'm gonna be the new little peep and then he just abandon all of his leg now. Did he like rap little like white rapper like shit and was like, now I'm pop-punk finale, less us, not forget. Travis Barker also sponsored this video and was on the Travis Barker has been doing embarrassing

1:23:12 shit for like ten houses release. Yeah, the never won. Also a is so nice when he's hot as fuck no matter what she does. Like she is like physically. She's just one of the hottest females to exist on the planet. I don't care. I don't laugh. Hahaha. She is, everybody knows it. She's beautiful. She's beautiful. Like she's she's hot but she's also beautiful because she's not like your classic basic bitch. She's She's very complex. And that's why Alex and I are critical. Fuck up. But that's why I'm saying we're critical because

1:23:43 we are such Sydney, Sweeney's stands and to see her go from sharp objects. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood handmaid's, tale Euphoria and then fucking downfalls High. Talk about a downfall taking on this fucking job. This is that Furious loud. Bad sound for your like trajectory and you're like Career of wha like it's just it's a bad step. And also, you know, we're at it. Let's

1:24:13 point out that Machine Gun Kelly's. Real name is Coulson Baker and he's Coulson Baker from oh Coleman. No, it's Coulson. It's Coulson Bakery is sure. I'm Denver, Colorado is absolutely okay. So that's just while we're at it. Embarrassing, be. Yeah, wholesome, baby. Aging. So from Coulson Coulson Coulson Baker from Denver, Colorado, like a

1:24:43 colonoscopy call real fucking bad ass. Who's been like a trashy white rapper, feuding with Eminem for his entire career. And then in the last like, thrashing a minute, how what, how do you trash Eminem? No, No. I said, he's been a trashy rapper, feuding with Eminem. Why is he feeling that way? Because I don't know. They keep having fights. I don't fucking care. Who cares? They just are always in. News, it's always like Machine Gun Kelly and Eminem would have a fighting machine. I don't fucking, I don't know. I don't care enough to look at machine gun

1:25:13 because he apparently is because he delivered his lines so fast. People were like, oh, he's like a machine. Oh, that is so fucking sad. So, okay. Well, all I will say is analysis offense. Normally, I'll see is very critical. I'm a little more lighthearted and my right. We all know this before hands, but I gave it a shot. I put on downfalls high on our screen. We have drinks for you. Like ready to give it. I was not Alex. I was ready to have an open mind and to you know, give it a shot.

1:25:44 The first scene that we fast forwarded to was Cindy Sweeney's sitting on the bleachers with a bunch of girls with open diary with a knife and they were playing spin the knife, not spin the bottle, spin, the 9th, and it spins, and it points towards little honey, and she goes, I think you're kind of cute and he goes on thinking about things. I mean, Just here, like, what are you doing? Just sitting here, like thinking about things. Like just sitting here think it's unbearable. They try to make him like some

1:26:14 kind of like weird. Emo, like, no, he's just a bully like to make him like he's like Bully. Like some bullied like emo boy. And it's like, he looks exactly the same as the people that are supposed to be bullying him. They all just look like a bunch of fucking tools. Yeah. I'm of them were look like anything. Like, what? Like, actual like bullied emo kids looked like back then. Like not that they were cooler. Adam. Whoa. Whoa, they don't even look like they used to. Well, like you said, soon as when he's just hustling, I can respect that. Well, howdy also, if

1:26:44 anything I'll say this. I respect a little hunting War, right? Because little hoodie, is just that a talker. He gets the opportunity to be in a Machine Gun. Kelly who apparently is a big artist who I've never given a shit about. But that's a platform of my rights and Baker, Coulson Baker going from to talk to getting a hit on clothes and Baker's video. Is like that's a big up. Like that's, that's like, Sydney swimming guy in the part and him its tail. If that's his first big. So, I will say this.

1:27:15 Well, how do you like actually think he's adorable out. I don't want to hear your opinions. It's going to be really awful. I think he's really cute. I don't think he's that problematic. He's just kind of like a cute kid that got lucky, and he's like doing his thing. So nice, weenie. She's a fucking Queen. She needs to do better. That's all I am. She's, I have to say Better. She just should have said, no to that project. She's already like above and beyond someone is clearly just regarding her career, but does not make sense

1:27:46 of loss of her career. That's more. Just like she did a favor that was like a favor drive and she's gonna make boatloads of money. No matter what. But if you're the type of person that cares about like what your career in your resume look like after the fact, like she clearly doesn't give a shit. That's fine. Oh, no, I would I would argue that she does but I think she did a favor for a friend. She's really Did David think she was in his movie? I think Pete Davidson and Machine Gun. Kelly are like BFFs. I think he said oh Sidney. Like you're hot. You should be in

1:28:16 this and then they were like, oh, that'd be fun and city. Did it an embarrassing. I'm gonna defend send you to my grave because she's my girl crush and I love her. So, I'll Stand say whatever. But I do think, but I will be honest. I will never deny it if she were on the show today. I'd say that was your biggest fucking quote. Unquote downfall was your biggest It downfall and there it is. You can bear it is and that's the cap. That's all the the T that we have. All I will say is this special episode was

1:28:46 just beyond incredible. It was just so good. You might hear meatballs purring over the mic because he's literally laying on the table and our laptop is such an oath. I will literally, send are you for Ian's a photo of what we're dealing with right now, but he's so sweet. Euphoria is just thriving. I hope to fucking Jesus. God the holy ghost that we get season 2 at the end of March and they start filming

1:29:17 in the meantime you for Ian's. We just have to hustle. You just have to help us get some people on this podcast that we can start interviewing and getting some new Hot Tips, but you know, what? What a great night. I will say, the best of 2021 is that trumps out of office and that we got a Euphoria special episode part 2 Jules. What would you say? How could you be a great deed agree. I'll cheers to that you for Ian's trunks out of office, and we got Jules part 2 and it was fucking incredible shot off, Hunter Schafer,

1:29:47 as a writer, and producer this episode. I think it was fucking incredible. Yep. Fo Machine Gun Kelly for ripping off a little pee bad too. But really quick. I actually thought something before we chairs. This is a hard question and you don't have to answer you can and be controversial. Do you like special episode 1 or 2? Go to do both like to? All right, cheers. So that we both put to all right. That's how you for

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