Special Episode Part 1: Rue - Trouble Don't Last Always Transcript

00:01 Twas the night before Christmas and all through the diner, Ali gave advice to a drug-addled minor. The breakfast was served by Miss Marshall with care, in hopes that young Rue would learn to be where they sat and they munched on warm toasted bread while visions of jewels danced in her head. Ruin her hoodie. And a lien is Cap had just settled our brains for a deep Winters rap. When out at the motel there, arose, such a clatter, they spray. From the booth to see

00:31 what was the matter away to the window. They flew like a flash, tore open the shutters and threw up the sash. When what to they're wondering, eyes should appear but a gigantic truck with a driver. So queer, a hunky Beefcake. So median bad, they knew in a moment. It must be do me and Dad more rapid than Eagles his hookups. They came and he whistled and shouted and called them by name now. Minako, now Jules now dancer and Vixen. On crystal, on

01:01 China on Gina and Blitzen to the bottle of cooks to the motel bed. Now, dash away, Dash away. Give me some head.

01:47 You first. Hello. You for it. Holy fucking shit. We are here. We just finished the special episode part. One roof trouble. Don't last always, and we got something to sell. Wow, the first time in a while. We have Cooks this time. We are not going to be sober. Aren't sober, We Run tips here than you but like now I'm gonna get really drunk sober. Now. We're gonna get

02:17 drunk. Let me hear that cooks pop scared. I hate this part, make it whisper. No, make it pop. It was like hearing it amateur. Oh my God, if you can, all hear that sound like champagne is sponsored by. That's safe. Just kidding. I really wish that maybe you should. We need to be sponsored by. Cook's Champagne. I know. I feel like I don't want to sponsor Cooks. I want them to sponsor us. Oh, I would. Oh,

02:48 I know. I know. But I'd want to do like ads for them. And I feel like Cal should to like, I feel like he, what's his Eric Dane. I feel like, I almost said, what's his name? I'm so rough around the edges lately because we've had such a Euphoria dry spell and I'm gonna cheers to us getting our Euphoria pussies, wet, cheers to pop in that cherry from yes, my fun. Here's what I want. Kirkhope, okay. Wow, we have a

03:18 lot unpack and I feel like we don't need any structure like we're just gonna Dive Right In Like This is literally we just turned off the TV and now we're just sitting here drinking champagne getting drunker and we're just going to fucking go for it. Yeah, I age right off the bat the oh my God, I can hardly be the raw impression. I know it's it's just like it's so Arc. But I'm glad it was if that makes sense. Like, of course, a part of me was like, hoping it'd be a little

03:48 bit of Christmas cheer. But like I knew it wasn't going to be like we ended with Rue like essentially dying like she didn't actually die. But like we thought she fucking died. So be really weird if like this episode was like bing like Euphoria like Labyrinth singing, like rhinestones might the whole thing. So I kind of like appreciated that it was really fucking dark and like, yo simplified. Well, yeah, this was a real. What about you? What was your liking? What's like one word for me?

04:18 Okay, one word to encapsulate, what we just watched. I would say, like heavy. Mmm. Yeah. I mean I can't argue with that. It was, what was your reaction like your initial? I thought I just turned it off. I thought it was great. I've obviously like very, very heavy. I really liked the like self-contained like to character. Matt family went with very reminiscent of like, the, like the fly episode from Breaking

04:48 Bad, like, does just one of the more famous examples of like, shows taking like, a break from the action to give you like, just like two characters, interacting for an entire episode for sure. And when that's done, right, it's it can be so good. And I think they did a really good job. I think they totally nailed that format and the execution of it. Yeah. I think it shows that Sam Levinson's. Just a great like writer and director like it's It's nice because we don't get any like surprises. Like a lot of other shows Vivek multiple writers. I don't, I'm not quite sure. I think

05:18 Sam just rights at all. I don't think maybe I'm wrong, so too, but I think it's this one. But yeah, yeah, it just shows and it makes sense, and you, you can really, of course, we know more because we're all super fans and we look into it. But like if you weren't a super fan, just watching it. You can tell that the writing is just so consistent, which I appreciate, like, it never feels different it. You can tell. It's Sam town. It's very three in the vein of like all these the fact that it's like takes place in this like all-night Diner. Yeah. Places that amongst

05:48 like many other Frank's kind of like classic like conversation based pieces that take place in diners like you have like classic like Reservoir Dogs should or like coffee and cigarettes. Like conversations in a diner is kind of like its own like weird micro genre for sure. And all, he's like, right in there and you know me, I actually like weirdly I have like my own little Subset page. Genre of favorite movies or TV shows that stay in one setting. Like

06:19 The Breakfast, Club is like, one of my all-time favorite films and I'm just like a film geek and that I think, if you can create something that just takes place in one spot and you can do it. Well, like, fuck. I think that's extremely if you can accept, doesn't become boring. Like that's it's a challenge. And I think they did a great job with it. Exactly, but that's just like something geeky about me that But I like in directors, like if you can do that, I'm hot. I'm very impressed. So, soon as he did, you notice that, I'm pretty

06:49 sure they shot it on film because it had a lot of grain to it. Really? Yeah, how do, you know the difference? I forgot like, I mean, you can't always like, just tell like this was like shot on, like, particularly like grainy film. If it was and if not, like, maybe we just really shouldn't connections and it's for seemed like it was like it wasn't because it was through the window there like you could see in the behind now it was like the Was like the actual like either we had a shitty connection. There are, there was some seriously. Well, we have any film

07:19 act like film grain going on there. Yeah. We have HBO Mac shot out. Louise, one of our best friends. He lets us use his HBO Mac. So he's literally the only reason we're even able to block a shot at least shout out, but we had our computer plugged into our TV so it could just be also know I think it was because at the end when they were like doing the recap like or the behind-the-scenes stuff, it was like very noticeably different. When they would switch from scenes from the episode and then back to like Sam levenson talking or something, got it. Okay. So I feel like we we're not going to have structure

07:49 but let's just like shoot the shit for a minute. So what did you think about the intro scene of like Jewels Andrew? Like, I'm not gonna lie. I felt a little like, I was like, blushing while watching because I'm just not used to seeing them be so intimate. Like, every time they've had a really like amazing, like, aha moment, like the night of the the fair, when they like make out in bed. It's like very dramatic, very Fantastical, it almost doesn't Feel real. And this was kind of, like, the first time we were like, this is like a little fella weird because I'm just, like, not used to

08:19 seeing them be a real couple. I'm used to them. Always being so complicated. And like, yeah. Yeah, it just, it felt a little like, basic if you will. Not, I'm not like, criticizing it at all. I just not a fan of it. No. No, it's not that. I'm not a fan. I'm just saying, I'm not used to seeing them be like a basic couple is what I meant, like kissing him in. Like I love you. Like, oh, good luck. It like college that. I like it. It felt weird because I'm just not used to it. It's not that, I'm not like standing it. I just like I said, I'm used to them being like, highly complicated.

08:50 It sounds like you hate it. Really? I don't know. I'm getting. I'm just hoping I do. I fucking with you. I know. I know, but I'm kind of confessing that I don't think I could ever like Stan Jules Andrew together, like endgame, because I, because, I don't agree it. Yeah. I just, I'm not the fan that like sees them living. Dreamlike what? They just showed like them in New York, like living a little apartment. Like yeah. Our lives are great. Like, I don't know. I don't, I feel

09:20 like they are those type of people that will have something really, really special, and meaningful that will like, change both their lives forever. But like sometimes you leave it at that, and that makes it more special. Does that make sense? It makes sense. I'm kind of the opposite. I really, really, I really liked it. But and I think that for me, like really liking, it makes this episode all the more like tragic. Because it's very clear that like ruin Jewels can't be together. Yeah, so it like hurts more because you get like this glimpse of like how nice

09:50 it could be but then it's like at the end of it all like Russo and addict and like, yep. You're like, yeah, that's that can never happen. Like route can't be with jewels. Like at least not for a really really really long. If at all and they like bring their kids are shh, basically the like solidify that like, yeah. A girl Miss Marsha is like yeah. Yeah. Really like you can't really have both. Yeah, and it's not going to be good. Well, there's sudden to I'm gonna do both like even if

10:20 they did want to do both. They're not like 25 or 30. They're 17. So Jules, I mean, it doesn't matter what it is. You are like if you're an addict you can't do. Look at nine go, you know what? You're an addict and you fuck up all the time. But like I'm in it for the long run. Like you don't say that when you're 17, like she's exciting. Nobody's she's no one's here for that. But she's just a little more. I feel like we've always said like, Jules is on a more confident track. She's kind of like learning. Earning like more about herself like meeting new people and kind of going like, oh, you like this, could be cool Andrews kind of like stuck in her addiction. So

10:50 I just don't. Yeah. I feel like they're too young to like. Yeah. I think that was like that meal, like, one of the real, like hurts of that episode is like, the Rue Jules thing is not going to eat. I feel like it won't even be able to be a lasting Arc in the show because it's going to be. So obvious, that route can't be with jewels. Yeah, like so it's It's like it sucks. But this episode, like kind of seal the fate of their relationship. Like they're not gonna be able to be together. I think it's still going to be complicated

11:20 though. I don't think it's gonna be like, they're not resemble. Still be like compliance and shitty always. Like they're always gonna like, I think they'll like love each other but like, they're not going to be. They're not going to end up together. Yeah. I really wonder I'll probably do more research later, but I wonder if that was Jewels actual apartment and the only reason I say that is because that was absolutely her art, but she was like, going through She's posted on Instagram. I could just I knew yeah and cool school or they just decorated the set like really fucking while because I'm

11:51 a positive that that was like all of her shit. Like that was all Hunter. Shit. Like you saw with the purse that you liked right by her front door. What was it like a fruit? It's like a fruit punch bag. Yeah, like I could just tell and she did like a Vogue interview a long time ago about like her life in New York City and like what it's like and it was kind of like wow. Whimsical and they like, showed a deeper look into like, what her New York day-to-day life is, and I felt like that looked just like her apartment, but I could totally be

12:21 fucking that up. But interesting. But anyways, I thought that was kind of cool. Like, her shirt was cool. Her collared shirt like the clouds on it. Yeah, what did you think about Alex? Thought? Route was smoking crack at first, because she had like a roll of rolling paper. She had another rolling paper, but she had some like piece of Thick pipe that she was like, well, this is just a piece of paper. They should took it over journal and rolled it up so that she gets enough. Never she tied to the bath. I thought it was about to smoke crack of the end of that

12:51 dream sequence. I was little. I was like, she's swimming crack. I was like, oh, Jesus like his room really like the exact gotta go, like snort, the crushed up till like, Merry Christmas music, I guess. Speaking of Christmas. That was a, that was about as dark of a Christmas episode, as you can get. Yeah, that means, it takes place on Christmas Eve. And I think, other than that, like, the only other Chris, Amos aspect of it was like Ave Maria at the end which I will say, like, I stand that song so hard at a movie that's ever had that song. I feel like

13:21 it's so powerful. I was a very like, dark, Labyrinth, like version it was, but it was good. It was so him. It had like the organ and shit. I know, I liked it. You know me though. I love that shit. So I really liked that, but Ave Maria and itself, I think is a song you wouldn't know. I liked if that makes sense. Like I feel like the only like Opera any, like psycho song that I'm She's really into, I think it's powerful. So I like that choice as. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't give us a warm and cozy Christmas episode, but no not at

13:51 all. So, it was hard. We got the jewels Andrew see. And was there anything else from that that we felt was important? I mean, it was so short and I'm Hunter shaver didn't kill off screen done. Let's be honest, but but I think it's safe to assume that the second episode is going to be a jewels episode. So, absolutely. It's such a good old Jules episode. Let's hope that it does not have what's her name? Natalie or oh, fuck. Oh whatever that. Fuck. It'll come to me later. I'm too Tipsy the girl that she meets at the Rave with her other friend when they go to La.

14:21 And so the drill segment is light on that bitch. Whatever her name is. Oh shit. That's just so important to us that we can't remember her name. That poor girl like in real life. If I ever enter that actors, I'd feel so bad. We just shit on her side that actress. I would throw something on. Oh my God, that's psycho. So yeah, I mean, I feel like it was weird. And I just, I felt like a little uncomfortable watching them, like, make out in bed and stuff because I was just like, oh, like they're almost like, too good to be true. And I like you said, I just I was hot though. It was hot.

14:52 Yeah, we got a little bit of NATO topless jewels in there for only being in the episode like double. Oh, she just was like, alright shirt off. Here we go. Yeah. She was probably like she probably asked Sam like can I at least show my tits and some not in this like for very long and he was like, yeah girl do your thing. I'm sure that that's what's up. Okay, I don't think. Oh, I don't like that at all. But I'm trying to think if there's anything else I'm not seeing that was like stood. Our was important. All right. It did. It was a little depressing

15:22 that she went and did drugs in the bathroom, because it kind of gave you a glimpse into what, like, in something. They can't be there. Together. We can't not be an adequate. Didn't she was hiding it from her was that? Because it was under the mattress. So it made me think like, it's not perfect. Because yeah, she leaves and then she's like, Carson, just drag Contra can't be with her without. Being an addict. Like, no, I don't think which is sad because right before she does the drugs, Jules is, like, right as she goes out the door. She's like, this is everything we dreamed of, and then, ruger's and does fucking drugs.

15:52 Yeah. Sucks. He's an addict for Life. She's Got It Bad. Should I think this episode really like solidified that like, this is like, she's like, she's really like an ollie. Like this is like a lifelong. I mean, we always knew that but like this episode really like showed you like the depths of like her addiction and the like We get a lot. We got like more character building for ruin this episode. Then in like almost all of season one. I agree so much more like depth and like more insight into like her motivations and her mindset

16:23 and what she's like dealing with, they really peel back those layers. Yeah, which I think is really, I think that's great for setting up season two, that we get like this level of like depth in the Rue. Yeah. So I think that like weirdly these episodes may end up being really beneficial. Oil to see some tail, I think so too. And we saw in the the little like six minute. After the episode recap. They mentioned that or Sam mentioned that, but it was weird because this

16:53 pause and filming allowed him to show us that which is crazy to think we wouldn't have gotten lat. They weren't meaning for that to be like just in the diner. It was more of like a quick scene, right? So it's kind of cool that we get to see like, the more complex that are rou. I agree because I don't think we would have seen it otherwise and I think we'll get the same thing next week to like, I Going into season two, we're going to understand ruined Jewels. Like way fucking more than we did before. Absolutely. We were laughing because the diner. I don't know about everyone listening,

17:23 but I don't remember. We were saying, we think that's Cal's motel. But if it does, I don't remember ever, let's talk like detail. So like the diner is in the parking lot. Thanks restaurant is what it was called, whatever. Yeah, I think so, but it's in the parking, lot of the motel, which is interesting because Cuz I think in previous shots of the motel, there's always I think there's been a building there, but I don't think you've been able to tell what it was and I don't think they've ever shown like Windows on it as if it were like a restaurant.

17:53 Have to go back and walk. That was, that was weird and interesting little weird. I also like that there was another time and Euphoria where it rained at the motel and I always laugh because I'm like, it does not really rain that much in California. It rains like five times a year. So they always make it like so sad. Rainy, which is fine. I'm here for its Fantastical. It's, you know, it's not real life. But like I always laugh because it's like dumping rain and I'm like, it just doesn't rain that much. The first light half of the episode.

18:23 I kept expecting like like cowl or like Nate can I would remember. And I thought, maybe they would sneak them to eat like going to meet up with like Maddie and them out. Yeah, me too. I was like waiting for another character to enter the circle but a part of me because you it's the motel I thought or maybe what was what was Kyle's other, huh? Look up at the motel. Oh the boy, the Gameboy, the Fanboy. I don't know, Menachem Menachem. Yeah, I thought maybe minako would like stroll by in the background. Yeah, alas.

18:53 No. Minako. Yeah. I'm glad there wasn't like any more. I think it. Like I said, yeah, I'll stay. I stand the two-person dialogue. I didn't really need any other care. I don't need calcium thinking in the motel in the background. It seems like this doesn't take place. It seems like they did not. Include Corona, not going to feel different but they did make reference to the revolution. Everything else that's going on in the world and that is completely fucked up. But it seems like they left growing out which I actually

19:24 like. I don't need masks and Corona talk. No, but I think a lot of the like, black lives matter police, like brutality, political issues, Malcolm Revolution, whatever, like that means, like, all of that and being brought into the story. I think that makes sense in the same way that like bringing 9/11 and make sense. And that like this is very much an era like devoid of like a national sense of hope. Hmm.

19:54 And you could sense that like when they were talking about it. I was imagining as actors. I'm sure that was a really like profound moment in time for them both to be, even though it's fictional and they're just reading, you know, reciting their lines. I can imagine that was highly emotional. Given the state like the world. Now, look at meaning, it probably wasn't that hard to act because that's literally what we're going through right now, right? It's also it was I was thinking about this during the episode but it's weird that like there ever was a time when there was some sense of like a larger like

20:25 national scale of like positivity or like oh because even I know a lot of our listeners are younger or of our age and like I don't ever remember that being a thing. Like no, I've never really grown up like in a era that felt optimistic. I mean, I guess when I was Was really young and like, I guess, the Bill Clinton era from what I remember of it being like five years old. It seemed like pretty people were pretty positive. But like, the that is never been like a part of my life, like having, like a, like greater

20:55 sense of like positivity or like optimism for the future or like hope is a country like none of that has ever been a thing. So Lord, people are optimistic. You're like, huh? Like I Roll. Do have you not watch the news? Like do not know what's taking place in the world on the things that there were times. In the past of this country, when that was the norm and that like this, the like, last 30 years is felt like an up ending of that for people that are older than us, whereas for our generation and people like Rue. It's just the norm

21:25 like yeah. How it is. She who's born on 9/11 like things just fucking sock like America sucks. Like that's just the state of the world. Absolutely. I also really appreciate and love that similarly to the other episodes. They did not. We always Pride you for you not being super like political just for the sake of being political. I feel like it's always done in such a natural way. That's very likable, and relatable and relevant without

21:55 it feeling like, oh like BLM interface, shove it in there. Yeah, like it really made sense with the dialogue. Like what he was saying perfectly somehow. Like they did a really good job of like intertwining that conversation with addiction and with like just the Behind that made sense to me. It wasn't just like, oh, you could tell like they knew what was going on like BLM, they got throw that in. Like, it wasn't like that, which I appreciate always in a show. Same. I don't need like the phone. He's fat. I know, so I like that.

22:26 What else did we get? On details? We got another Minnesota Fats. Reference. Yes, like twice. He's not like two or three times, but Yes Minister. That's, I want to give Alex a little moment here. I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna find where you said this because you nailed it. But after the show the recap Sam levenson literally says, I'm sure everyone that watched. It felt the same way when Ruby tells the story of how her and jewels initially decided

22:57 they were like, dating, I guess and she brought up the fact that they got tattoos on their lip, and he was like, whoa, you did. And she was like, now we didn't we just talked about and Alex and I were like, squeezing. It was armed during the episode. Like what looked like, was it a dream fucking show? Yes, but I'm going to give Alex a moment here because I was a little piece of shit in the other episode. Whichever one it was Alex. Brought up. The fact that route is an unreliable narrator and but after we podcast it I was like that was really

23:27 stupid. Like why did you say that? Like, I think that's irrelevant. I was like, I just thought that was kind of nerdy. Like you took it too far. And then Sam levenson literally in the recap was like I put that in there intentionally. To let the audience know that route is. Not a reliable narrator. So sometimes her retelling of her experiences is not accurate to what they really are. Right? And, which is crazy. That's weird. Raiderlink. Barrier, not true. All of season one. So, like the bombshell isn't that they didn't get tattoos.

23:57 It's that what the fuck else that happened in season? One isn't real is Fantastical and just it's also similar to what we said in the episode, right before this one that we did which is that it could just be Sam's perspective of what Like his story. It could be him kind of portraying like a lot of things that are a little more fantasy and not so much like what would take place in real life? So yeah, like more on that. I feel like I'm all over the place with my thoughts. But what I'm trying to say is I feel like Sam maybe

24:28 you know, he's pulling the story from personal experiences. Right? And we said in the last episode that we just recorded that, we feel like maybe some of it is just him fantasizing. What his high school experience could have been should have been Kind of situation or what Millennials are doing, hmm. Jesse gen, Z, sorry, like what Jen's he's doing and maybe that's kind of part of it. I think that maybe you could put into words what I'm trying to think what I think I think he when I was talking about him

24:58 like introducing like this as his version of like a an alternate reality of like gen Z. I think I was thinking more than like broad strokes and not like specifically to the story like they're being aspects that are like fake as his Sharon, not take him to think, I'm maybe things happen to the characters and he's like, I know this isn't happening with Gen Z, but I'ma throw it in there because they're in. There is his vision or his ruse. I don't know. Both like maybe it's maybe all the characters on some level

25:28 fantasize a bit and we don't get like the full story. But rho R is the Risen narrator. So, almost everything we know about all the characters and Euphoria comes from Roux, and now that we know it now that it's affirmed that she That there are events that didn't actually happen that were shown in season one. We have to wonder what else like we think. We know about characters that may not be true. Yeah, I mean what other events that took place may not have actually taken place with lots of interesting and I think

25:58 it would be interesting to go back and watch knowing that that particular scene is not real and see if there's any like visual or like story indicators. During that scene. They would tip you off as Two other scenes that they totally also be false. I would love to hear being Koreans. Think like what they believe my first thought was that, since ashtray gives them the tattoos. He's not real, but then there's a scene where cat interacts with ashtray individually with no one else present. So after Israel, well, and Maddie and

26:28 Sydney by Sydney, Maddie and Cassie by pretzels, rhyme and everything. I'm glad after Israel and other words. We don't want a straight of. Yeah, it's kinda fun. I kind of love that. She's not reliable because now, I can look back and kind of start. Guessing like what's real versus reality? Another room called that shit you did. So, you know, I will cherish that Alex right now and I am Anna. I'm literally gonna post like the exact clip on our Instagram because he fucking said it and I literally was a little shit

26:58 bitch and was like, nah, you're being annoying. Like that's not Euphoria and it was so the other part of that that was really funny that I loved and was kind of comical because I'm the same way. It was when He was putting her on the spot. He was like, so how did you know you guys were dating? She's like we didn't talk about that. Like that's weird and that's so it speaks like deeper volumes. I get on the surface. It's funny because right like that stuff is kind of cringey like some people love that shit. I don't I get really

27:28 uncomfortable. Like even when Alex and I were first dating it was like, I'd rather just pretend like were you know fucking or hooking up but like I don't want to say to my friends, like, oh no, like we're in love and we're dating like it's just Like it felt icky and college to like, admit that it almost felt uncool. So I'm kind of curious if that's like the same with Gen Z or is it that like they have less of an even lesser of like a connect? Because it's like, it's even more casual because you're like on dating apps and like doing all this weird shit that like we didn't having, you know,

27:58 I don't think it's super generational. I think it speaks more to her immaturity and my duals are rou. Glad you brought well both of them. I'm glad you brought that up because I Is going to bring that up as well. And I thought that was interesting and that it makes roosting very young. We're a lot of time for you doesn't seem like a young character who was very worldly like super cynical. She's very like experience like she's like she's gone through some shit.

28:29 She's gone through a lot of shit. She's done a lot of drugs. Well, it's not this drugs to you. I was going to say it's the Grebe's like I've been through the wringer so she very rarely seems like a teenager and In that conversation, that was like one of the first times on the show. When I was like, oh, yeah, Rose like a child like yeah, you she like, thought she was dating someone and literally, they just like, made out in bed one night and like and she thinks they're like, yeah together. Yeah. It's like that's not. You're not also share this because you make out in bed with some absolutely. But there were many times

28:59 in high school. That's shit like that happen to me. So I I get it, but you're right, like, that's the first time really high school. So that's why it makes her seem so young because that's something that happens in high school. And then you get older and you're like, okay. Okay, like I'm old enough that I can understand. I need to actually like Define things and like understand. Yeah, like I need to be on the same page as the other person. I think I've been in a relationship with but that's where it gets really dark because like you said, it reveals to us that Rue had to grow up very, very

29:29 quickly. Yeah, and the other person obviously doesn't help but like she was your yeah, you nailed it. I liked the, I like the complexity of Seeing her expose more of why is she so cynical? Like we knew that from season 1 but now it's like we really know why I am. It makes sense like reminds you because if you think about it the whole show and Euphoria, she rarely talks about her dad rarely. Its kind of introduced in the beginning but then the finales were it. Like hits

29:59 you like a fucking wall. You're just like, oh my God, like the hoodies, like her dad's hoodie and you're like, we're Hearts just like breaking for her. When really like the whole time, you're thinking about her drug addiction. You're not really thinking about her losing her father. Like that's That's Heavy enough. So I kind of personally obviously can resonate with that. So I liked that part. Yeah, I think it was also another like benefit to playing this this whole episode off with just ruin Ali's that

30:29 aside from that particular like part of the conversation. Overall. It also makes Roo feel very young and kind of like reorients her as a teenager again, because she's paired with like He who like you think ruse like been through the shit. Like, Ali is like been through the fucking years. Like so it really reinforces that like not just an experience though, but also like ideologically and philosophically like Rue has like all these super strong ideas and then all the like challenges them and tears them apart and you're like, yeah

30:59 true is just like making pulling shit. She's a classic Highschool or she's like pulling shit out of her ass. Yeah, and anyone that she's like a college education, good like poke a massive hole in any one of Like her points and completely like just reorient it. So it does a good job of like reminding us that Ruiz like a child. Well, yeah, I was thinking the minute. She put her her headphones and when he left that to me, reminds me of just being young, just thinking like sad songs are gonna like heal you

31:29 of your pain. In my belly. Listen to the song is Jewel side to her. I know no, but I'm just saying that just made me. I'm not like yeah, I'm just mean in general, it reminded me that when you're On which she kind of mentioned when he was like. So you don't believe in God what he believed in and she's like like Otis Redding and like the ocean with those are more powerful than me and it kind of once again like shows how naive she is because it's like I used to think that too. I used to think like Miley Cyrus was like the Keystone to my life and I thought listening to her

31:59 music was like healing me as a person. I really like felt so connected to that growing up and now I look back and I laugh as an adult. Not that I don't think it's like a cool thing. Like I love music and art and things that uplift me and bring me out of those dark spaces. But as you get older, like Ali said, you realize, like that's not really like, it doesn't help you. Like, you have to get, you have to go to therapy. You have to like be an adult. Yeah, to fix your life. You can't just like sit around and be like, Oh, I'm gonna

32:29 put on the side song by Miley and like then wake up the next day and just relive my life over again, make the same mistakes, and then be like, almost like continue the writers, like your Godlike. Be like a song or Leo's. Yeah, like you need more than that, but I did think it was interesting. Also in the Ali's argument, doesn't feel like a perfect Counterpoint either. No, I think it is. I mean, his Counterpoint was like, you really happily like, I believe in something, and he essentially posits, like, not that you have to believe in God, but the you have to believe in, like personal

32:59 Revolution. Something that like, you believe in so much that it up ends, your priorities and changes your life. Yeah, and which is kind of, it's a bit of a vague ideology and I don't know that like Like I think that's a perfect example either like and for him it's sobriety. But if it's if you can't like put sobriety at that level and make that like your God and like reorient your life completely around sobriety, like obviously if you're an addict you kind of need to I guess but I thought that was an interesting

33:30 like conclusion to that it made his point in very much makes sense, but I don't disagree with through either that those things are like incredibly influential. One can be very healing and Powerful as well. I think that's why the dynamic of this, I guess it's brought. It's hard because she's an addict. If she weren't an addict like a song or like the ocean can be your God. Like you really can like Orient your life around, things like that. And I mean not just a single song but like art or like music. Yeah, things like

34:00 that can be. It's can be that for you. But if you're an addict, you have to orient your life around like dummy better around since everybody if you want. To like not be enough. If you want to like not be on drug gold. The time, you know, I was in a say, the dynamic of this episode was It made me remember how cool it can be. Sometimes when you do sit down someone that's had so much experience more mature like Ali and

34:30 then someone so young like Rue because you learn so much from young people. Like I know that we're we're both 30. Now. It is embarrassing to admit. We don't like being old. We want to be young again. But I feel that way when I talked to like my baby sister who were crowned in the middle. Like I feel like I still with our but I'm saying you it's a nice soul and I learned things for people younger than me. Sure, but I'm saying you gain a lot of insight. You I liked that they, you know, I just liked it. I liked the dynamic of seeing two people

35:00 of completely different ages. Learn so much from one another. I didn't feel like it was a one-sided conversation. We're all Lee had all the wisdom. Andrew had not like if anything ruse that a lot of shit where I was like, yes. Hmm. And Alex knows, like I bet you felt it. And if you didn't like, fuck you, you're my boyfriend. Shut up. I'm just gonna put like when room is Talking about being so frustrated with people being like, like, why don't you believe in God? Like God is there for you? Like here for a purpose?

35:30 Like I've been through that whole died for there was it was God's plan? Someone died for a reason? Yeah. It's all bull shit is fucking bullshit is bullshit. And I hate when people are offended by me saying that and I won't go too far into it because I'd like to save more of my personal life for another time. Another episode. But like, I lost my dad around the same age that rooted And I can highly relate to that situation of many, many people on my life. It's exhausting. How many people try to give me that same Spiel?

36:01 Yeah, and it's frustrating because then you're portrayed like the villain like the one whose negative pessimistic we just. Do you think life all socks and your shut down all the time. Why don't you just believe in something positive and it's like fuck you. Well, it's just I felt that way my whole life because I think that's lazy, I think. You know, for anyone out there that has a friend that's going through anything similar to that. It's just trust me. That's the worst thing you can do is say some shit

36:31 like that. I mean, yes. And not just because it's emotionally damaging people to people but because it's intellectually like bunk. Like, it's like, you're an embarrassment for trying to like, posit such an argument when it can be. What do you mean an argument? Oh, that their argument. Like there's a bigger but it's part of a bigger plan like this type of Thing. It's like well at 17 year old drug addict just like tour that apart. It's like so send out about Bob. I mean, it always comes down to the point

37:01 of like if it's like part of the plan, like ultimately like what is the end goal? And when the circumstances are that someone shitty or gets to live in someone, good dies. Then you have to question the nature of the God who has the plan in place if their plan was for shitty people to remain in good people, too. Go then, what if not, if that's really what you believe is the last Trump you by the president. If you believe that, that's really like the plan then what kind of God would

37:31 make a plan like that? And then you have to question like, okay. So you're now believing in a God that doesn't really have like a very benevolent plan. Yeah, and that doesn't really match with like the kind of most people's idea of God. It's like well, maybe it up Roots, everything. I mean, if you were the type of person that worship like a chaotic, God, who had some fucked up like crazy plan like then it kind of Is your ideology. But if you believe in like this, like, good God, but like, how did I ever have everybody shepherding everyone to Heaven? It's like, well, fuck that goes out the window real quick

38:01 letter. Like that. She said, because like I said, I very deeply resonated with it. When she said, what about like my purpose? What about my mom? My sister like, was his purpose just to raise us for like, that short amount of time and then peace out. Like, what the fuck? That's fucked up. And I, I'm a bad place. A bad fucking plan. It's a bad bad at best. It's a bad plan. It. At worst. It's a fucked up. Like malicious plan. Yeah, it's leading the world in to like Greater Community. Just creditor father. It's her. Father. She literally said that's lame.

38:31 My dad wasn't here just to like Shepherd us for you know, only 17 years of my life and I'm fucking not Banning Us in like Amazon wasn't as purpose. That's dumb. Yeah. Yeah, so I kind of like that kind of a shit. Why it is. It's very and I felt the same way. So I was like, you know, I saw myself in ruined. I mean, if my purpose was to raise a family and then leave them in Prices to the point where like one of them was like a devastated drug addict. Threatening her mom with a piece of glass. I'd be like, wow, that's like that. Was my legacy. Like fuck. That's a shot

39:01 Legacy. I would not feel good sitting up in heaven being like, yes, but at least my family is here on Earth, like living it large like know if they're fucked up. Well, the reason I said, it's lazy is because from personal experience. I say that because I think that's it's like a cop-out. It's like, you're not willing to go through the discomfort. Of asking someone how they feel about the situation or how can I best be a, you know, a foundation for you right now. How can I be there for you?

39:31 Instead people feel like they have to project all their ideas and what they, what Comforts them itself. It's always selfish. So it's like, all I gotta say is I'll just end it on that note. It's fucking selfish to bring up stupid shit like that when someone's morning a loss because because you're prioritizing your ideology over their emotional health. I'm not thinking about what You're not the one. You're pushing like you're like ideologies and propaganda, and worldview on to someone else without worrying about. Like and listen, what I need

40:01 the intent. A lot of time is very good. But that, that doesn't give you an, it's not an excuse. Like, it's so I got down for being ignorant. No, it's lazy. So that's my that's also late read anyways, anyways, another that's why I said, I have to save this for another time. But I mean, I said it in our finale episode. I I just the reason I love you for it and even wanted to do this podcast was because I deeply connect with through, not because I'm a drug addict. I've never had a problem with drugs, but I

40:31 know what it's like to lose someone, you love. And I lost my dad at her exact same age and just seeing what she's going through. It makes sense. And honestly all the time Alex and a joke. Like, I don't know how I'm not a drug addict. I I feel deeply, sorry for her because that could have been me and it's a lot of people go through that today from losing people in their lives. Something love, so Duke shit. Yeah. On a different note but kind of related. I think that the flip of seeing Roo like

41:01 as a child or as very young and naive in the world is that at the end of the episode? We also get like a brutal like graphic Glimpse at like, how how worldly Rue really is and how much our experience has affected our because we're just left with like this long shot of her in the car. We're like somehow As India has morphed into, like this, like old battered, like exhausted like destroyed looking woman. Like, she looks like she's 6 years old and like, yeah, as live

41:31 like a fucking like five lifetimes. I thought the same thing, so her face was morphed into like a frat. That just wasn't me. It's fascinating that in the same episode. We like reorient. And remember there is a child but then by the end of the episode you're also like, oh, yeah, but also like she has so much like Grief and baggage and is live through so much like and it's like we're doing is just getting started, honey. Fucking exhausted. Like the fact that she is alive

42:01 is like insane. Hmm. So it's very interesting that within like an hour. We see like ancient like exhausted fucked up Rue and also like very young, like childish real. Yeah, and I like I said, at the very beginning of this, I like that they peeled away all the you know, the rhinestones the glitter because that's so much. Much fun and that's what we love about you for you, but it's cool to see this other side. That's a little more deep and heavy. Yeah, what did you think about? I felt like the hot for me. The heavy hitter was

42:33 when he asked what do you want your legacy to be? Like if you died, what would you want? You know? And she gets teary eyed. Oh my God. I was like almost about to cry because I was like, that's yeah, so sad that she's in that place. What did she say? If she says, like I want to be known for someone who tried really hard to be somebody else. Yeah, and that's the name of it. I didn't quite a tree wanted. Yeah. No, I think you're, I think you got it. Right? But like, she just wanted to be, she wants to be remembered for trying to be good

43:03 to the people around her, trying to not be like a fuckup, trying to like be a good happy like part of their lives. Like, even though she knew inside that she couldn't be, she wants to be remembered for like doing giving all she could. For her family and her friends to be like there for them to be soccer personal. She could. Yeah, just trying to trying to get sober. I mean that's essentially what she's saying without saying it like trying to get

43:33 sober and that's not who she is. Like right now at least right now. She doesn't know any any different right now because she's always been an addict that's fucked up over and over again, right? Because trying to be good for that means what's good for all those people in her life that she's referencing. There is her be her sobriety, like it's not Good for anyone. That was a drug addict know which also leads to the whole conversation, which I liked a lot to was all Lee and her discussing like what's a good person? I mean we could go on and on about that, but I feel

44:03 like you and I can definitely relate on a personal level. You and I have both made very big mistakes in life. Everyone has but we've made some big ones and it's cool to sometimes sit down with someone and talk about it and pull back the layers of like You're not really, that should have her something. Like, you're just not like even like the shittiest of shitty things. I mean, if you're trying to change and get better, you're a good person. Like, I don't know. It's like, what is a good person? That's

44:33 such a complex conversation. Right? And it's a very like Road and classic, like, therapy point to be like, forgiveness is like harder and also more important, but it is like, it is easier to blame yourself and call yourself like a bad person. And if you are really interested in like punishing yourself for what you've done then like actually try to be a good person because that's way fucking harder. You're gonna go through way more shit trying to be a good person and just calling yourself

45:04 a bad person and like being like I'm bad and like I suck and wallowing in a wallowing in it. And yeah, it's like he like they did a good job like summarizing like that is Roux, which is that like that's easy and it like almost lets you off the hook because it's much. Harder, yeah, to be a good person and they click real change. That it is to be, like, I suck. I'm like, I don't know. I'm guilty of the unforgivable. Like it's like,

45:34 no, you're not, like, but it's going to be really hard to forgive yourself. But if you like, give a shit about actually, like changing and not being unforgivable, like, then you have to like, really, really try. Yeah. It was fun. This is totally off topic. Those funny when Lady was like you better pay me your tips you Cheapskate Miss Marsha what US? Marsha shout out this morning. She was a great. It's cute side carrier with tertiary character of the office. I want to know more about her behind the scenes. I feel like another addict. I like that all these

46:04 just like yeah my girl Miss Marsh over there. Yeah. She's like a lifetime. Actually that's been serving us pancakes. Like she's fun. I've known her so long that I remember her from like my crack-smoking day is like I have something to say that I just thought of to I for some reason during Episode thought, I don't know why I thought this but I thought maybe he was faking the phone call First. I know truth. I don't think it anyway because I thought maybe he felt guilty because he was kind of unleashing a lot about his life

46:34 story to her and sometimes especially around the holidays. There's a lot of like Christmas movies were like, you know, families that are estranged. I feel like I have a cold but some like three Christmases and then they like, you know, reunite and it's all great. So, I'm sorry, I don't think it anymore, but in the moment the whole episode I was like, I wonder if he's Faking It just to like, feel like, it's like therapeutic. Like, he's like pretending to be like, oh, I Look going like God, that'd be really dark gets out. He leaves a conversation with rude a like fake a phone call

47:04 was pale like a cigarette and he was out there smoking for a bit and then he took out his phone as he was thinking. Yeah, obviously, I'm saying I'm confirming with you right now. I don't think that anymore but I'm saying, well, I was watching it. I kept thinking I wonder if he is kind of like I'm not saying he's faking it for any reason. I'm like, I'm it's like therapy. I thought maybe he was saying what he would want to say to his daughter if she called on Christmas. Does that make sense? Yeah, I wasn't trying to make it complex. I just thought maybe he's so sad talking to ruthless protecting

47:34 the way to reconcile with his family when in reality, they hate him. Yeah, but obviously, I don't think that anymore because the recap kind of showed. I mean, Sam flat-out said, like, you got more of all these life. You get to see like this family. Can I? Yeah, it was nice to see more of all these life. Yeah. Martin. I should say I shouldn't say his real name anymore, but they did a good job of like showing Ruth sense of humor still on his tail with that. Yeah. I heard they were very good in the episode. She's like,

48:04 yeah, we don't like a Martin. He doesn't look like a Martin. Well, no because he wears his little Nation of Islam. Like skull down is funny to me. Looks like Ali the jokes about getting Christianity wrong and like or was it that was a way around. And yeah, which was it? He said something about you. Well, he says that he has Faith Andrew, but then he's like, but I could be wrong because I used to be a Christian before. I was a Muslim. Yeah, I was just have faith in like Christ and like now he's like now I believe something completely differently.

48:36 So he has two daughters. Yahoo! Story was intense, and it also made you think at least it made me reflect. I'm sure that we're like you grow up in your ear. You think I'll never do this or I'll never like replicate what my parents did or what? My boyfriend did to me or I'll never do this and then you do it and it's a weird. It's a weird like fuckery. I don't know. I was just thinking about my life and how many times I've done that as well.

49:06 Like, I've replicated actions of not my parents. I really haven't really done that. But like, I've done some shit like, in relationships. Right, like replicated actions on like I will never do that and I do it. Yeah, and that's like the worst feeling. So him like being vulnerable and telling her that I felt that I was like, damn. Yeah. I've been there. It's the worst when you're like, never gonna do that, then you do it. Yeah, you know, I'm sure that's one of the like, major struggles of being a parent is living

49:36 your whole life. Being like, I'm not going to be like my parents and then you're a parent and there's probably like Times when you're like, I'm being like my parents. Yeah, and that's tough. What was that? Okay. I was a little confused by this. What was she talking about when she kept repeating? I don't, I wasn't going to be her anymore. What she talking about committing suicide. When what we got multiple times. She said like I wasn't planning on being here, very long here. Not her here here at the diner or here

50:06 or here on Earth, you're talking about. That's what I'm asking at first when she said it almost sounded casual and I thought she Like it's Christmas Eve. Like I was no no, no, no, no. No, I don't even mean that like in a funny way. I just thought she meant like I wasn't really like planning on being here. So let's drop it. She means Earth. I know. But then obviously I knew when she started crying but I was like, oh shit, like does she mean that does she mean that from the finale? She me like that. Supposedly like that night. She might have wanted to die

50:37 or I think she sings. I think it's a broader like that. She is Like I just want more clarification in like a large aspect. She's suicidal. And in another aspect. She's like wantonly taking drugs. So I don't think that she's like expecting to live long whether it's by Suicide or like accidental drug overdose. I think Cruz very like resigned in a large part to the fact that like, she's not gonna like be around that long. That's so sad. Yeah, that was really hard to hear.

51:07 But yeah, of course, Pages dumbass brain is like, oh she means the diner and then I was like, oh my A crash in suicide. He's, I was like, holy shit. She's like Ali. I don't think I'm gonna be here much longer. It's my mom's gonna come pick me up in five minutes. I gotta go. What, if you're in real time. It's Christmas Eve. Like, what's Porgy? Huh? And her mom. I like at home. Like, what the fuck is ruined sobbing pancakes with her sponsor. I mean, I thought she was like trying to dip that, like, I love this but like I wasn't gonna be here long and then she

51:37 started crying and I was like, ooh side. It could have been the wind hitting me. I don't know, but I I was like, damn, that's really funny. I know, but that was really deep, and that it was really deep when we was like, I don't know if I can be in this Diner, much luck. I think I gotta get home. Told my mom. I'd be home by 8:00. Correct me if I'm wrong. Did Rue ever talk about almost committing suicide and season 1. It's been a while.

52:07 You know, we've it's been a long journey. This podcast. I'm really trying to remember if she ever distinctly Like, I, I wanted to die or this or that. I don't know what she really has. I mean that's been strongly like you just assume it because of her journey, but I don't think she's ever said it. I think it's been implied and buy her her after her actions with drugs. I agree. But that was the first time I heard her actually say, like, I don't like I didn't think I was going to be here. Yeah. I'm not sure

52:37 honestly. Good question. Another Point. Another question. What did she mean by Jules? Cheated on me? Is she talking about the bitch? Don't like the Rave. Yeah, okay. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah, because it's Christmas Eve. And we don't the timeline was winter formal. Oh, winter formal. So it's probably December Christmas Eve. Something. I think all that indicates is that Jules told her about that, which I think we already know. I'm pretty sure Jules. Yeah, Jules tells her about that. It was like, oh, she was so hot. She

53:07 bit me murder. Oh, Anna Anna. Yes, Anna. That's the vision. We don't like. Yeah, especially I don't like okay. Yeah, so she Told Roo, so yeah, so that's what you that's what was referring. So that's why Ruth sees it as cheating. When really Jules is just like, look. I like hooked up with this girl. This is Jules, doesn't think they're a couple. She's like, girl. We hooked up after the fair, but that doesn't mean we're like, it was like, definitely a little shady on Jules part, but her in rural hundred percent, not in a relationship. Absolutely, even if

53:37 they were in a relationship, they had never had any kind of talk about like exclusivity or anything like that. So it's like, absolutely, but still a little shady. Rapper a lot like horrible on Jules part. Totally, I see both sides though. I understand and I'm always gonna be more leaning toward ruse, you know, like Rue side of things. But I will say for how young they are Jewels isn't in the wrong to be like, exploring and like doing shit. I feel like that's normal at that

54:07 age. And also it is fucked up that she did to Rue. But like like we've said, all along like Jewels isn't like ruse. She's not there to like keep her. So, Over and like save her from like this life of so many challenges. So it's a lot of pressure and I think in that moment she broke and was like, I can't handle the pressure. I just got to get out and I can relate to that. I understand the pressure. I mean I could I would do the definitely forgivable but it's also like, what kind of people is another words? Even though there was nothing like, on paper, like, she

54:37 knew what she was doing and that it was hurtful. Like they had like a very deep emotional bond and she knew that that action would be super her butter Roux In those circumstances. Dances, but do you think Jules? Did it mean they're both immature. I now after seeing this episode and her talking about their relationship. I was thinking Jules did that on purpose because ruse always so quiet and doesn't come out and say Hey, I want to date. You. Like what is this? Look like we learned that because I always thought after

55:07 the fair, the next day's Halloween and Jules is acting all sorts of weird Andrews. Kind of like, oh, like this is awkward. I thought we'd be tight because we Like hooked up all night at the fair, but it goes to show that Jules was expecting ruin. That moment to kind of step up to the plate and be like, hey, I really like you and she didn't do that. Not saying it's her responsibility. No, but some people do that. Some people kind of want the other person. It's like, it's okay you and I always say this, right? But that's just passive aggressive. That's because you beat it, until I was young these

55:37 straight up, right? I understand. But you and I did that when we first dated, it was like who's gonna be the first to like ask the awkward question of like so are we like together? Nazi right? And it's always awkward. Yeah, so I'm just saying, I feel like she probably felt in that moment. I really want Rudy to, like step up. I think that'd be like a turn-on. I'd be hot. Like, I hope she asked me and then Rue doesn't do it. So I feel like I kind of understand Jewels a little more because I feel like she kind of retaliated and then it makes sense. Because at the winter formal, when they're in the stall members, she's like, don't you want

56:07 to? Like she saw something like, she's trying to like seduce, rumors, like known. Very, like I'm not into that. And Jules is kind of like really like God. I'm giving you like another. Chance to be like I like you like fuck this. Like I don't want you to be like texting this girl in the store. I want to be with you. Andrew doesn't step up to the plate and do that. So then Jules is again, kind of like I'm with you on that one because that's an immature shitty way to try to do something else like that, try to listening it and try to progress our relationship in that way. Is very like, it's not her.

56:37 I'm like, shady lie. No, I'm just saying it exposed a new layer to the relationship that I didn't see before, and I appreciate room or for Copying in the, in that moment. Like sure I respect to that was kind of sloppy and weird. And yeah, but do you see what I'm saying? No, I'm saying. I didn't really notice that before though. I didn't pick up on that and now I'm yeah, oh, like Jewels was clearly like just trying to get a rise out of her trying to get her to like confess her love and it didn't work. Yeah, and I'm pissed her off and there was a shitty. That's why she went on the train,

57:07 electric bad, fucking plan on my nose part. That's a fucking shitty. Immature way to like coming from the guy who is very possible to explain College my dad. But yeah, Yes, I'm just saying it's relatable. I'm saying. Well, do that are young and stupid and we're in love. We do stupid shit. Yeah, so I feel like now I'm more empathetic to jewels than I was before. I was just kind of mags. I stand Russo hard, but now I'm like, I've been the jewels in that situation where you just want to be a mature me like fine. You know what, I'm gonna go to La and I'm going to go to a rave and I'm gonna make out with someone

57:37 and we'll see how you feel, and then you'll really want me and then rooted in water. So it was like, I've been both. So it's like, now, we're going to run this train. This is your chance, like, I'm giving This chance I come with me and then ruse like no and I'm not I'm saying like I'm on your side but I get why Jules is like at that point is just like fine like I'm on the train by. Yeah. Because it's like her last straw. Yeah, and I didn't see it that way before. I was just kind of annoyed. I was like Jewels really and now I'm like, I get it. She was kind of like this is like the third time I'm trying to get

58:07 you to like Jump into my arms and be like, I want to be a girlfriend. I love you, and it didn't happen. Whatever you gotta step up and fucking step up and do what that, like, just step up and say, what you want. Yeah. Don't be Jules wants to be with roof fucking step up and say and stop playing games, who's kind of playing games, too. They're all the mirrors playing games on a cruise. Just emotionally is just like Russia just like super, super hard as I understand like shy and like totally hooked up. Like I don't think she ever played a game

58:38 with jewels. Like room wasn't Nam. Right? Rear is not like sophisticated enough or in a good enough place to even try to like manipulate someone. You're right. You're right. So I mean I have to be right. Well, no I'm saying you are. Knowing I'm saying you're right. Like I like I said, I stand Rue, I'm on her side, but I empathize with jewels a little more than I did. Yeah. So anything else, what else? Anything else to not to? I mean, we've kind of covered a lot where I liked most of it. We're almost like an hour on this and I feel

59:08 like, wow. Which is cool. That's how you know, it's good though. It's like we just talked for 60 minutes straight. Barely taking a breath and I still feel like I keep talking but I'm not going to no, it was really good. I think we covered like most of the things I want to talk about honestly and if we didn't it's fine because we're going to record again and we can add anything that we missed, but holy fucking shit, I guess and let so that's it for you. Yeah. Hmm. Let's see.

59:39 Shout out. Colman Domingo. Go. You did a really good job and laughs. Yes, big big props. He really like not only did we get like more of his character, but we got more from him as an actor. Like he was really good in that. Yeah. I think that's a great chemistry and Euphoria of any random free updates since our last episode. Not really, but another thing I will say that everyone was so hype on that. I also was high pain as I love now and ever, they release anything new about you for you. It says,

1:00:09 Emmy winners and There. Oh, yeah, she's also she's like got signed to Valentino, right? Yeah. She's like a mule early phases Valentino. Yep, that's cool. That's amazing. I mean that Valentine has been doing good shit, lately. Yeah. I've been doing a lot of stuff with undercover which I've been to. But yeah, no, no big news, but I will say though overall the episode. Yeah, they both were amazing, Great Performances. And if anything Zendaya, just like really she just reproved how great she

1:00:39 is the time in a word. She, you know, reaffirm she reaffirmed her Emmy when I mean, it should, I agree? She was her emotion. It takes a large strong. You have to be like a like moderate to like very good actor to carry like a hour of TV with just, you and mr. Harrison. Laughs. Yeah, that's like that's respect like but oh, I know I was stressed like watching them because I was like, I would just be so bad like memorizing all those lines and

1:01:09 having that Much emotion during it and being in one seat. Like, I'm sweating doing this podcast just sitting at this card table. Imagine filming a scene in a diner with all these lights on you and microphone like having to let out a motion. Like it's a lot. So it's very naturalistic to. It really did feel like a conversation which is like the goal and they did a guess. It didn't feel like Mega scripted. It felt like large parts of that could have been ad-libbed, but then afterwards, you kind of see that it was like pretty like fully scripted. Mmm. I like the outside the window shots.

1:01:40 Like, it's so easy. It was still Euphoria. You still felt the sense that it was Euphoria. So it was a little, it was so euphoric, but Diner was so fucking beautiful. So you fought? Well, we are out of time and we're, you know, out of time. We need to drink more. So we're gonna be done for the evening, but as usual, follow us on Instagram, so underscore euphoric, follow our tire, talk follow our Twitter or Facebook, everything like subscribe. View

1:02:10 us on Apple podcast. If you can any review, we get is like a major plus 1. Yeah, we're also almost to a thousand followers on Instagram. That would be such a great way to celebrate. We are so excited to record another episode for part two, which we don't have the title yet, right? I don't know. Oh wait. That was sorry. I will say that was the one thing we forgot song. Yeah. Yeah, the title of this episode is a Christian gospel song. Isn't that? Pardon,

1:02:40 but I did want to bring it up. It's rev Timothy, right? Even me. Reverend. Yeah, released in 1991. I just thought was interesting because I know what? Girl would prefer if they had chosen the title of Like a Prayer song Because Ali is Muslim now. True. But yeah, I just have those kind of interesting because even though it's our girl our waitresses, you know her quote, but I looked it up. It's Marsh and immediately this Christian song came up, which kind of Of ties,

1:03:10 into all the religion. They were talking about Tuesday. Have to wonder if they got it from the mean. Always clearly, very religious. But anyways, yes, follow everything. We love you. All we will be back. Let's a huge shout-out to like, everyone. That's like listened and subscribed and stuff like. And the supporting that, like, just the amount of people that have, like, listen to the podcast and I've just like the, the Spotify like wrap up like stats were like insane, just humbling and lovely

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